The Rumor Thread

[HaRdCoReBrAvEsFaN]

1st Stupid rumor of the off-season:

Kelly to Boston for Coco

Somewhere in this DOB Blog Link:
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/entries/2007/10/24/cramped_but_bas.html

[Vuchato]

It said that the Red Sox would offer Coco for Kelly. I'd have to imagine the Braves would hold out for more, if they'd even consider parting with Kelly at all.

[absintheofmalaise]

Why would the Sox need him unless it would be to put package him in a trade somewhere. This makes no sense at all.

[lilsnatch07]

Isn't Dustin Perdoria rippin it up in the Playoffs??

He's their 2nd basemen right

[JayDonnelly10]

Isn't Dustin Perdoria rippin it up in the Playoffs??

He's their 2nd basemen right

They have no use for Kelly

Pedroia is going to be a fixture at 2nd Base for them for a few years....he is pretty good

[BGarrett7]

I would imagine Pedroia would move to SS if the Red Sox acquired a 2B.

[JayDonnelly10]

I would imagine Pedroia would move to SS if the Red Sox acquired a 2B.

I dont think Pedroia would be that good of a SS....I think his niche is at 2nd Base.....I dont see them moving him, plus didnt they sing Lugo to a multi-year deal? So wouldnt he be the SS next year

[BGarrett7]

I dont think Pedroia would be that good of a SS....I think his niche is at 2nd Base.....I dont see them moving him, plus didnt they sing Lugo to a multi-year deal? So wouldnt he be the SS next yearIt's his natural position.

As for Lugo, they also signed Renteria to a multi-year deal, and you see how that worked out for them.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I've called Coco Crisp a rich man's Willie Harris at the plate. He certainly has an A+ glove and would actually be a HUGE improvement over Andruw Jones if you believe in the FRAR-FRAA statistics.

However, his plate skills have been sub-par the past couple of seasons. I'd rather see Brent Lillibridge in center field before we have two Willie Harris batters on the same team.

[McCarroll21]

...before we have two Willie Harris batters on the same team.What's wrong with Willie? HA! Just kidding...

:beer:

Here's to having none and call it a day.

[SamtheBravesFan]

What's wrong with Willie? HA! Just kidding...

:beer:

Here's to having none and call it a day.

Hear hear. I'd rather have guys like Gregor Blanco or even Doug Clark on the bench instead of Harris.

[Rynliquid]

I was talking to my buddy Spaceberries today who works at a rehabilitation clinic with a girl who's sister regularly plays paintball with former Braves platoon specialist Matt Franco's agent. Well one thing lead to another, and he mentioned to me that he heard that Chipper is making a cameo in the early-2008 release of Hooters the Movie in which Matt's uncle, Kurt Russell has signed on for the role of the Hooters Owl.

Your thoughts.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Hah. That's rich. What a weird irony that would be if it happened.

[absintheofmalaise]

It's his natural position.

As for Lugo, they also signed Renteria to a multi-year deal, and you see how that worked out for them.
He played SS in college. It's not his natural position. He doesn't have the range to play SS in MLB.

[CB1]

Somebody mentioned Matt Holliday to us for Edgar and a ham and cheese sandwich... :cownana:

[C-Dawg]

I'd sooner give KJ a shot in CF than to trade him for NoCo Crisp.

[McCarroll21]

I was talking to my buddy Spaceberries today who works at a rehabilitation clinic with a girl who's sister regularly plays paintball with former Braves platoon specialist Matt Franco's agent. Well one thing lead to another, and he mentioned to me that he heard that Chipper is making a cameo in the early-2008 release of Hooters the Movie in which Matt's uncle, Kurt Russell has signed on for the role of the Hooters Owl.

Your thoughts.He's not here enough ladies and gents, but when he is, he's sure to leave with a bang.

:rimshot:

[dogmanx23]

haha thats a good one... Kelly for CoCo i don't think so...

Yates for CoCo ill believe more then kelly and coco come on......

[dogmanx23]

MVN - ESPN Analyst Buster Olney mentioned a Braves/Red Sox deal on his radio show Wednesday possibly linking center-fielder Coco Crisp to the Atlanta Braves. Crisp has been having trouble finding playing time with rookie phenom Jacoby Ellsbury now in center, and will most likely get moved this off-season.

The move that Olney mentioned was a one-for-one swap with Crisp heading to Atlanta and occupying Andruw Jones’ ex-territory in center, moving rookie second-baseman Kelly Johnson to the Boston Red Sox.


ok so instead of trading Edgar for a SP you trade Kelly for a CF and put Yunel at 2nd???ummmmmmmmmmmmm ok..................

[BGarrett7]

The move that Olney mentioned was a one-for-one swap with Crisp heading to Atlanta and occupying Andruw Jones’ ex-territory in center, moving rookie second-baseman Kelly Johnson to the Boston Red Sox.Or, the trade we've spent this entire thread discussing...

[dogmanx23]

Or, the trade we've spent this entire thread discussing...

i know but i rather believe it hearing it from an ESPN person then read it somewhere within a blog either way i hope its false

[BGarrett7]

i know but i rather believe it hearing it from an ESPN person then read it somewhere within a blog either way i hope its falseGiven ESPN's recent track record, you're much better off reading it off some blog.

[dogmanx23]

Given ESPN's recent track record, you're much better off reading it off some blog.

hehe true either i know i always said CoCo would be our CF i just hope its not for Kelly...

[lilsnatch07]

mlbtraderumor.com had this on their site and I was wondering about it as well, so I thought I'd bring it here so we could all laugh at the idea, or laugh at me for wanting to laugh at the idea??

I don't really think they would go after Kelly Johson with the way Dustin Pedroia just performed in the World Series, but they are talking about it, so I am too.

Here is what I got from traderumor: "O'Brien spoke to "a person who should know" with the Braves and this one's not happening. I think we were all skeptical from the start.
There's a rumor making the rounds: the Red Sox may offer Coco Crisp to the Braves for Kelly Johnson. Right now this is fourth-hand information - Buster Olney allegedly said it on a radio show on Wednesday, and one Braves fan heard the report and posted a comment to David O'Brien's AJC blog. O'Brien hadn't heard the rumor himself, but found it plausible."


I don't think it would happen, but the Braves could get Coco Crisp and re-sign (are you ready for it?) Marcus Giles! It wouldn't really make much sense, but we could probably get the Sox to pay for some of his salary? IDK I'm just reporting this stupid rumor that will NEVER happen. But hey it gives us something to talk about along with the Edgar Trade!

[vnodnarb]

mlbtraderumor.com had this on their site and I was wondering about it as well, so I thought I'd bring it here so we could all laugh at the idea, or laugh at me for wanting to laugh at the idea??

I don't really think they would go after Kelly Johson with the way Dustin Pedroia just performed in the World Series, but they are talking about it, so I am too.

Here is what I got from traderumor: "O'Brien spoke to "a person who should know" with the Braves and this one's not happening. I think we were all skeptical from the start.
There's a rumor making the rounds: the Red Sox may offer Coco Crisp to the Braves for Kelly Johnson. Right now this is fourth-hand information - Buster Olney allegedly said it on a radio show on Wednesday, and one Braves fan heard the report and posted a comment to David O'Brien's AJC blog. O'Brien hadn't heard the rumor himself, but found it plausible."


I don't think it would happen, but the Braves could get Coco Crisp and re-sign (are you ready for it?) Marcus Giles! It wouldn't really make much sense, but we could probably get the Sox to pay for some of his salary? IDK I'm just reporting this stupid rumor that will NEVER happen. But hey it gives us something to talk about along with the Edgar Trade!

Marcus Giles is done, he has now put in back to back pathetic seasons, he is going to have a hard time finding a job at the ML level next year.

[McCarroll21]

lilsnatch, that's what started this thread. I think DOB has completely ruled it out as false. Kelly won't be traded now; not that Edgar is gone. If he were to be traded, it's likely it would be to the A's or one of those big sabermetrics teams as they'd drool over his isoOBP and isoSLG for a guy capable of batting leadoff and playing second.

[JCStone7]

In essence if this deal went thru I think Frank Wren would be the shortest-tenured GM Atlanta has ever seen.

[lilsnatch07]

lilsnatch, that's what started this thread. I think DOB has completely ruled it out as false. Kelly won't be traded now; not that Edgar is gone. If he were to be traded, it's likely it would be to the A's or one of those big sabermetrics teams as they'd drool over his isoOBP and isoSLG for a guy capable of batting leadoff and playing second.


Sorry I was at work and was rushing....I was on break and didn't read the threads. I even posted in this thing!!

[kdp]

The reaction to this "rumor" on our board is likely the same reaction A's fans have when they see the bullshit rumors we spew about getting Haren.

[JCStone7]

Just heard on PTI that the Mets are considering going after ARod and David Wright said he would move to 2B.

[Hobbes]

Just heard on PTI that the Mets are considering going after ARod and David Wright said he would move to 2B.
I'm thinking that A-Rod would prefer to play SS. He might take a 3B job if they can't find deep pockets willing to pay him to play short, but barring that I don't see him going to the Mets.

[BravesfaninNC]

If the Mets sign Arob sure it would make their offences much stronger not like it week right now or anything like that. But if I were the mets I would not try to get arod but instead I would think about improving my starting rotating if glavine signs with the braves or anther team the mets starting rotating would be Oliver Perez Orlando Hernandez Pedro Martinez and John Maine with a starting rotating like that Mets will finish 3rd in the east

[dogmanx23]

yeah mets go get him and make the same mistake as the yankees...

[JCStone7]

Schilling will file for free agency.

Also the Brewers have not picked up the option on Geoff Jenkins.

[JayDonnelly10]

yeah mets go get him and make the same mistake as the yankees...

which is?

can you make a mistake by signing the best player in baseball?

other than having a huge part of your salary but the mets can afford it like the yankees if they wanted to....would be scary if he was on the muts not going to happen so who cares

[C-Dawg]

Just heard on PTI that the Mets are considering going after ARod and David Wright said he would move to 2B.

Unless A-Rod can pitch, I'm unimpressed. What scares me is the rumor I read somewhere that they would sign A-Fraud to play 3B and trade Wright for Santana.

[enak628]

Isn't Santana a free agent?

[nickzilla6066]

If the Mets sign Arob sure it would make their offences much stronger not like it week right now or anything like that. But if I were the mets I would not try to get arod but instead I would think about improving my starting rotating if glavine signs with the braves or anther team the mets starting rotating would be Oliver Perez Orlando Hernandez Pedro Martinez and John Maine with a starting rotating like that Mets will finish 3rd in the east

Thats what everyone said this year and yet they still finished ahead of us. I don't see them getting A-Rod either, just another rumor like when they were supposedly going to get Manny and dominate the NL for years to come. Fact is next year the Mets, Braves and Phils all seem likely to return largely as they were this year and battle it out yet again.

[Hobbes]

Isn't Santana a free agent?
No, he has another year left with the Twins. They might look to deal him since he is guaranteed to leave after next season, but they also might not. There is no guarantee that any team will be getting Santana, and even if they do trade him it will cost some team a boatload of top prospects.

[JayDonnelly10]

Unless A-Rod can pitch, I'm unimpressed. What scares me is the rumor I read somewhere that they would sign A-Fraud to play 3B and trade Wright for Santana.

The Mets will not trade wright...thats kinda like saying the braves are gonna trade Franceour and McCann

[milbraves]

The Mets will not trade wright...thats kinda like saying the braves are gonna trade Franceour and McCann

If they could trade Wright for Santana they definitely would. He's the best pitcher in baseball, any team that could get him away from the twins would be foolish not to.

[vnodnarb]

If they could trade Wright for Santana they definitely would. He's the best pitcher in baseball, any team that could get him away from the twins would be foolish not to.

Imagine what the Yankees would offer if they were 3-5 games back of the Red Sox heading into the trading deadline.

[Macquiao]

Dodgers Serious About Andruw Jones (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/dodgers-serious.html)

Bill Shaikin has a small note in today's column (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-arod30oct30,1,5522157.story?coll=la-headlines-sports):
Scott Boras is believed to consider the Dodgers a more serious contender for center fielder Andruw Jones than for Alex Rodriguez.
It's not the first time we've seen the Dodgers linked to Jones; David O'Brien suggested it several weeks ago (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/braves-notes-ha.html).
Ned Colletti, you may recall, wasn't exactly thrilled with Scott Boras a year ago (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2655862) when J.D. Drew unexpectedly opted out. But it sounded like much of his anger was directed at Drew. Boras seems to disagree with the notion that Jones should come with a significant price cut this winter. Before the season he was talking about $20MM annually. He'd still want at least $15MM per year.
The signing could leave the Dodgers with an outfield of Juan Pierre, Jones, Matt Kemp, and Andre Ethier. One of the last two could be peddled, and the team might have soured on Kemp a bit (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/09/dodgers-willing.html). How about Kemp for Miguel Tejada?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

[CB1]

Rotoworld says that Schilling has us on his long list of teams he wants to pitch for.

I doubt it, though, especially if we sign Glavine.

[Tex4Prez]

i personally don't want schilling i just never seen anything to great about him but if he can give us about 180-210 innings with a high 3 low 4 era im all for it

[JayDonnelly10]

i personally don't want schilling i just never seen anything to great about him but if he can give us about 180-210 innings with a high 3 low 4 era im all for it


hes a post season monster!

[HaRdCoReBrAvEsFaN]

I've never really liked Schilling...just something about him, but If it helps the team and him and Smoltz were healthy for October then WOW!

[josephw000]

Hell John aint gonna be around much longer if we sign Glavine and Schilling we lose out on trying to get a younger cat up here to get ready. I'd take one or the other, preferablly Glavine but Johns 40 something and Hudson is the only other decent guy we got pitching behind him right now, that makes me worried.

[mark4004]

I heard rumors they will put kelly johnson at short and oust Lugo. Which I mean kelly just moved back to the infield at 2b. I dont think he's ready for ss. I also heard they move D.P. to ss. (his natural position)

[JCStone7]

This is for those Mike Cameron to Atlanta advocaters. Cameron suspended (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3088062)

[jdu00743]

This is for those Mike Cameron to Atlanta advocaters. Cameron suspended (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3088062)

Praise God!

I did NOT want him.

[C-Dawg]

This is for those Mike Cameron to Atlanta advocaters. Cameron suspended (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3088062)

"Padres' Gold Glove center fielder"

Really?!!!

[Rafiki]

"Padres' Gold Glove center fielder"

Really?!!!

He won some in Seattle. Also in SD maybe. I don't think they award a LF, RF ,CF gold glove - just 3 OF gold gloves

[cjones1999]

"Padres' Gold Glove center fielder"

Really?!!!
jdu wants a young guy out there I'd say.

[Macquiao]

"Padres' Gold Glove center fielder"

Really?!!!

Talent doesn't have anything to do with what you do off the field. Michael Vick was one hell of an athlete, but that never got him any where once he got caught with dogfighting evidence. You can't take away the fact that he was a great athlete though.

[JayDonnelly10]

Talent doesn't have anything to do with what you do off the field. Michael Vick was one hell of an athlete, but that never got him any where once he got caught with dogfighting evidence. You can't take away the fact that he was a great athlete though.

Very well put....Cameron has a glove and a good one, its his bat I think people see a problem with

[jdu00743]

jdu wants a young guy out there I'd say.

I'd rather gamble with a young guy and use the money on pitching...Or helping on an extension for Tex.

[C-Dawg]

I think you guys misunderstood my earlier quote. I just couldn't believe that he won a g/g with the padres.

I completely agree that I DO NOT want him on our team. That money needs to go to pitching.

[Martin Kove]

Cameron's price just went down. for what its worth.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Cameron's price just went down. for what its worth.

Still doesn't mean that we should take him. Pitching is really what the Braves need, and I think they can afford to take a bit of a hit in the shortstop and center field areas, if they do.

[dogmanx23]

the first 2 things we need to do is sign Glavine and trade for Haren or Blanton.. ( or someone we haven't even talked about) then we worry about CF.

[dogmanx23]

With closer Todd Jones eligible for free agency and possibly preparing to sign with the Braves, allowing him to move closer to his home in Alabama, the Tigers were looking at Zumaya as one of their three or four most important pitchers.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-071103rogers,1,7978387.column?coll=cs-cubs-headlines


why would we sign jones???? we have Soriano

[SamtheBravesFan]

Jones is almost like Joe Borowski in closing. Almost. Besides, we have cheaper options in Ascaino and Ascota who are just as good or even better than Jones.

[gobravez]

Please tell me this is a typo

www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO66884/

"BOSTON -- 7Sports has learned that Mike Lowell has received contract offers from four separate MLB teams: the Braves, Angels, Cardinals, and Yankees"

[HeidiBee21]

Please tell me this is a typo

www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO66884/

"BOSTON -- 7Sports has learned that Mike Lowell has received contract offers from four separate MLB teams: the Braves, Angels, Cardinals, and Yankees"

Is it bad that I find that wicked?

[SamtheBravesFan]

Is it bad that I find that wicked?

No, but I can't imagine what he would be playing. That's a pretty bad rumor.

[Corvette]

Is it bad that I find that wicked?
And don't the Cardinals have Scott Rolen?

[HeidiBee21]

No, but I can't imagine what he would be playing. That's a pretty bad rumor.
haha. Those are just minor details. I just like his name. roflmao

[HeidiBee21]

And don't the Cardinals have Scott Rolen?
That was slightly harsh

[gobravez]

I guess they want to move Chipper to LF and let Diaz man CF then? J/k ofcourse...

[Gibby]

I had this in the another forum, but I think it belongs in this one.
I always like to see another big bat in the lineup. And it doesn't neccesarily mean throwing Chipper in left. It could mean putting Lowell at 2nd, opening up the door for the KJ for Coco trade or something. Killing 2 birds with one stone.

[CB1]

I guess they want to move Chipper to LF and let Diaz man CF then? J/k ofcourse...
Shit, shit, shit, that's what is the perception. My friend called me, and he told me the Braves actually did offer Lowell a contract. 0_0

Friend works for the Braves, btw. Name is Sam.

[tigerfan]

opening up the door for the KJ for Coco trade or something. Killing 2 birds with one stone.
then braves fans everywhere would be forced to stone wren.

[CB1]

It could be a DeJesus for KJ trade...

[Gibby]

then braves fans everywhere would be forced to stone wren.

Maybe. I love having KJ out there too. But Wren's job is to try to win. If he thinks we have a better chance w/ trading KJ, he's not gonna ask what the fans think.

[absintheofmalaise]

Another possible move is CJones to 1B and trade Teixeira. I really can't see him playing LF.

[CB1]

Another possible move is CJones to 1B and trade Teixeira. I really can't see him playing LF.
Then I would not only stone Wren, I would probably find a way to GET stoned.

[gobravez]

KJ > Lowell

[Gibby]

Another possible move is CJones to 1B and trade Teixeira. I really can't see him playing LF.
I hope you're joking, but if not, I think they had said they don't want to move Chipper to first bc it puts to much pressure on his foot stretching for the ball so much.

[gobravez]

Another possible move is CJones to 1B and trade Teixeira. I really can't see him playing LF.


Stop with the chipper to first. Ugh. Why does everyone suggest this. Moving chipper to first would make him work his Sore hands, weak obliques, and bad feet 1000% times more than at third base.

[KB 34]

Let's see, the Braves are still owned by Ted Turner, have billions to spend on anyone, have the big 3 but no offense, and want to move Chipper Jones to LF. I'll bet they'll sign Vinny Castilla er. Mike Lowell.

Yep, that's how seriously I take the rumor.

[Corvette]

Maybe Frank doesn't realize that this is the National League and Chipper can't DH.

[CB1]

http://www3.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO66884/

BTW, on Ken Rosenthal's article, he mentions that Cordero has a mystery team that offered him a good deal. Could it be us, and moving Soriano back to his natural set-up role? That would be dynamite.

[dogmanx23]

if we sign mike lowell we are now the yankees because this is without a doubt the dumbest move (if made) i have ever seen. We don't need Lowell we need pitching, pitching, pitching and a CF

[JCStone7]

http://www3.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO66884/

BTW, on Ken Rosenthal's article, he mentions that Cordero has a mystery team that offered him a good deal. Could it be us, and moving Soriano back to his natural set-up role? That would be dynamite.

Fuck that! I want a heat-seeker as our closer! I'm tired of Kolb, Reitsma, and Wickman.

[CB1]

You're still mad about the chat, huh?

[SCchief]

I just read that the Braves are going to offer arbitration to A. Jones, offer Glavine 8mm/1 year, and that Dan Harren was going to the Mutts, can anyone inform me further on this? I didnt think we could offer Jones anything except a new contract!

and no I wouldn't want M. Lowell, we have a third baseman by the name of Chippah, and a first baseman, who I heard is pretty good himself......

[josephw000]

Retarded if we even go after Lowell unless its a sign and trade for some reason. Shipping KJ, a left handed hitter with a good glove, good power, good patience, and becoming a better hitter would be a disaster unless we're getting the same in return, and going from KJ to Crsip is like going from a 08 Lexus to an 88 Volvo. KJ has way more upswing and is more useful right now for us...I dunno wtf were thinking with Lowell

[JCStone7]

and that Dan Harren was going to the Mutts

:lol: Billy Beane wants prospects and a lot of them. What is Minaya going to give them? Milledge, and, and, and, and, and, and???

The Mutts can't match the A's need.

[SCchief]

Why would Boston want KJ, he played really well this year but didn't their second baseman win ROY, and why are people wanting to go after Lowell, we have a thirdbaseman, by the way he already said he's not going back to leftfield, and we have a pretty good firstbaseman, so I am told

[josephw000]

Why would Boston want KJ, he played really well this year but didn't their second baseman win ROY, and why are people wanting to go after Lowell, we have a thirdbaseman, by the way he already said he's not going back to leftfield, and we have a pretty good firstbaseman, so I am told


No clue and I cant see him in there at 2B, not with KJ so young and a Lefty...I dunno....

[JayDonnelly10]

:lol: Billy Beane wants prospects and a lot of them. What is Minaya going to give them? Milledge, and, and, and, and, and, and???

The Mutts can't match the A's need.

John Maine, Lastings Millege, Aaron Heilman would be a great building block....i read about this somewhere if someone has the article its in it

[SCchief]

I had this in the another forum, but I think it belongs in this one.
I always like to see another big bat in the lineup. And it doesn't neccesarily mean throwing Chipper in left. It could mean putting Lowell at 2nd, opening up the door for the KJ for Coco trade or something. Killing 2 birds with one stone.


SAY NO TO COCO, lol:lol:lOWELL AT SECOND BASE? YOUR KIDDING RIGHT

[JCStone7]

John Maine, Lastings Millege, Aaron Heilman would be a great building block....i read about this somewhere if someone has the article its in it

I'll give you Maine, but Miledge has no spot with Alou/Beltran/Green and Heilman has crumpled under a rotation spot every time.

[Gibby]

The Mutts can't match the A's need.
I sure hope not!

[McCarroll21]

I'm not sure how Lowell at second is funny. I believe he's played there before and he's a very good defender. However, I don't think we made such an offer. It's likely an agent trying to stir some shit.

[SCchief]

Another possible move is CJones to 1B and trade Teixeira. I really can't see him playing LF.
..

boot this guy out of here, I didn't think crack was allowed in here

[josephw000]

Th only logical thing if t his was legit was KJ to Left and Lowell to 2B...fact is we have other needs besides wasting 15 mil a year on a player we dont need.

If were gonna be retarded lets go get ARod for twice the price of Lowell....if your gonna blow money, blow it the right way

[Gibby]

I'm not sure how Lowell at second is funny. I believe he's played there before and he's a very good defender. However, I don't think we made such an offer. It's likely an agent trying to stir some shit.
That's what I was trying to say...
And it doesn't neccesarily mean throwing Chipper in left. It could mean putting Lowell at 2nd, opening up the door for the KJ for Coco trade or something.
But Lowell has actually only played like 8 games at 2B back in '05, but it's still a good possibility in my mind, at least if these rumors are true.

[josephw000]

That's what I was trying to say...

But Lowell has actually only played like 8 games at 2B back in '05, but it's still a good possibility in my mind, at least if these rumors are true.

I dont see how we afford Lowell in the first place....now if we want Glavine and a CF...and maybe even an additional pitcher...

[Gibby]

Th only logical thing if t his was legit was KJ to Left and Lowell to 2B...fact is we have other needs besides wasting 15 mil a year on a player we dont need.

I forgot about KJ playing in the outfield. Good point.

[Gibby]

I dont see how we afford Lowell in the first place....now if we want Glavine and a CF...and maybe even an additional pitcher...
Sounds to me like what we can "afford" isn't going to be the issue anymore. Anything reasonable anyway.

[SCchief]

It could be a DeJesus for KJ trade...


The Braves put to much time and effort into KJ, him learning to play second, and honestly don't think they will trade him, plus look at his salary. Honestly he could be an All-Star this year if he plays like he did last year, or if he improves, and he is real cheap, with the way the Braves payroll has gone over the last several years, why trade someone like that with that salary for someone more expensive, around the same talent.

Keep KJ, go after 2 quality young pitchers, sign one of the big name centerfielders out there for maybe 2 years, resign Teix, and then lets roll

[josephw000]

Sounds to me like what we can "afford" isn't going to be the issue anymore. Anything reasonable anyway.


Yah I'm hoping they dont go greedy with it, and put it into the organization. Old business saying was "Ya gotta spend money to make money" I think fielding a really good team will pack the house pretty nice, that being said I hope we nail someone big....but I doubt it's Coco or Lowell

[SCchief]

I'm not sure how Lowell at second is funny. I believe he's played there before and he's a very good defender. However, I don't think we made such an offer. It's likely an agent trying to stir some shit.


Lowell played 9 games at 2nd base in 2005 for FLA, and True he only had 1 error in 67 innings but after 9 years in the league majority of it playing 3rd base, I still think we might be safer with KJ.

[josephw000]

The Braves put to much time and effort into KJ, him learning to play second, and honestly don't think they will trade him, plus look at his salary. Honestly he could be an All-Star this year if he plays like he did last year, or if he improves, and he is real cheap, with the way the Braves payroll has gone over the last several years, why trade someone like that with that salary for someone more expensive, around the same talent.

Keep KJ, go after 2 quality young pitchers, sign one of the big name centerfielders out there for maybe 2 years, resign Teix, and then lets roll


Yup, simply eh? Most of us seem qualified to be a ML GM ;)

I'm with you, dont get crazy with the money, get Glavine, ink KJ, French and Teix long term and pull a trade for a Harren or similar pitcher including James and B Jones in the deal.
Good? Great? I'm ready for 2008!...

ghey...

[Gibby]

Yah I'm hoping they dont go greedy with it, and put it into the organization. Old business saying was "Ya gotta spend money to make money" I think fielding a really good team will pack the house pretty nice, that being said I hope we nail someone big....but I doubt it's Coco or Lowell
Yea, I know what you're sayin. Just saying that the article came out today about the Braves spending "Many millions more", and the this rumor about Lowell. I think we could definately spend the money better elsewhere, (PITCHING), but who knows!

[C-Dawg]

The only way i could see us moving KJ would be to the A's for haren since KJ is such an OBP beast and they're such OBP whores.

[brnt247]

I'd be very sad if KJ got moved, but it would make sense because they probably value him better than any other team.

[MSU Bulldog]

In keeping with the absurdity of this thread, here's a gem from MLB Trade Rumors (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/), via Buster Olney's Insider Blog, about speculation of Andruw returning to Atlanta.

Enjoy!

[milbraves]

Honestly he could be an All-Star this year if he plays like he did last year, or if he improves,

or if chase utley is hit by a bus.

[milbraves]

The only way i could see us moving KJ would be to the A's for haren since KJ is such an OBP beast and they're such OBP whores.

If we get either Blanton or Haren and can still keep KJ, i'll be very very surprised. he's exactly the kind of player the As go for.

[absintheofmalaise]

The only way that AJones should play in Atlanta next year is if it's on a 1 year contract for $10mm at the most. The only reason that this is even rearing it's ugly head is probably because Boras has found out that in a crowded CF market that no one wants to offer him a long term deal at the money he wants and he is seeing if the Braves will take him back for one year hoping that he will have a typical walk year and produce good numbers again.
Either that or it's the typical Boras move of floating a rumor about another team to try and build up more interest.

[Chief Knockahoma]

come on hot stove league!

[mark4004]

Well after everything Andruw has done for the Braves... I think we can forgive one season of trying to play through injuries... I would be more than happy to resign Andruw for $14mm... I know what you are thinking.. if he puts up the same numbers as he did last year, it's a big mistake... But oh how quickly we forget 2005 and 2006 where he basically put the Braves on his shoulders.. so, if Boras is looking to pump up the walk year numbers before schaffer or lillibridge gets here.. that's fine with me

[McCarroll21]

or if chase utley is hit by a bus.
Last I heard most all-star teams have more than one second baseman.

Billy Beane is looking more close to the majors prospects than super-two and almost arbitration eligible players, such as Kelly. He'll look for guys like Brandon Jones, Van Pope ... maybe Ascanio and Boyer on the pitching side of things.

He knows they're years away ... or that's how he feels. He wants to build for that, not build around people who he'll have to trade again in two or three years.

[Jsh1284]

The only way we get Andruw back is if he miraculously accepts arbitration .. which wouldn't suprise me to be honest. I can't stand his lackluster playing style, but let's face it, when he's on, he is a great hitter .. and is always an awesome outfielder.

I'd love to keep him on for one more season till it's time to bring in our young gun.

[milbraves]

Is Lillibridge on the market? if so, who backs up the middle infield in Atl?

[crossxcheck]

Either that or it's the typical Boras move of floating a rumor about another team to try and build up more interest.

I think you nit the nail on the head there!

[thegame10]

Wren's answer to the CF question...

"As I have indicated, we want more of a short term fix so that we don't block our young CF's in the system... we have several we are working on."

That is from the chat on MLB.com.

Also put the Lowell and Griffey rumors to rest.

"...we like Kelly at 2b and think he can be one of the best all around players at that position."

[mark4004]

Martin Prado and/or Bryan Pena... Remember he's not a catcher anymore.. he's a utility player now. so he can be like a true utility player.. that can even catch... ala eli marrero. lol

[Scalpel19]

Is Lillibridge on the market? if so, who backs up the middle infield in Atl?

No, Lillibridge is not going anywhere. And this is not like Salty

[CB1]

Some highlights from the Frank Wren chat.


frankwren: 2:59 pm Hello everybody, I look forward to chatting with you today. So let’s get started.
easygoinlar: 2:59 pm Very happy about your promotion good luck. Just do not forget about us fans that live and die with each game. Thanks
frankwren: 3:00 pm That is the biggest responsibility you feel in this job… the obligation you feel to the fans to put a good team on the field.
bigwilks23: 3:00 pm Can you give us any indication as to who you are looking to add as our center fielder?
frankwren: 3:01 pm As I have indicated, we want more of a short term fix so that we don’t block our young CF’s in the system… we have several we are working on.
braves5795: 3:01 pm Honestly, are you interested in getting Glavine back on the team? I think it will help the pitching on the ballclub.
frankwren: 3:02 pm We are interessted… he would clearly make our rotation deeper and obviously better.
charmer: 3:03 pm …. My question for you, are there any truths to the rumor of the Braves acquiring Mike Lowell, and if there is, would Chipper move to the outfield or would he be traded?
frankwren: 3:03 pm Nothing to it at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tjwashga: 3:03 pm How interested are the Braves in resigning Octavio Dotel and/or Ron Mahay?
frankwren: 3:04 pm We have expressed interest in Mahay… Dotel has indicated he wants a multi yr contract which we would be less likely to do.
charmer: 3:06 pm Were you involved with the meeting/talks in Arizona with Tom Glavine’s agent? If so any insider information on Mr. Cliffton’s response?
frankwren: 3:06 pm I met with Greg Clifton yesterday and there is very strong interest from both sides to try to work something out.
Thanatos: 3:07 pm What type of relationships do you have with other GMs? Are there any that you get along better with than others?
frankwren: 3:08 pm I knew every GM with the exception of Tony Regans with the Angels prior to the GM meetings and have a good relationship with most if not all.
charmer: 3:09 pm How do you feel about our bullpen right now? Do we need to acquire another lefty with Ron Mahay a FA or will Royce Ring be that guy for us in 2008?
frankwren: 3:10 pm We are trying to acquire another LHR and feel Ring can be a solid guy in our pen as well.
qooraf91: 3:10 pm Are we going to get any pitchers other than Tom Glavine
frankwren: 3:11 pm If we are able to sign Tom, we would have 8 SP’s for 5 spots and would look to improve other areas of our club.
chip4prez: 3:11 pm Who impressed you and Bobby most in Arizona? any suprises?
frankwren: 3:13 pm Charlie Morton threw extremely well with his 5 inning no-no and Jordan Schafer played very well in CF… Brandon Hicks @ SS and JC Holt @ 2B both played well… was a good trip overall.
brvsnut: 3:14 pm Can you put the rumors to rest — is getting Ken Griffey Jr. really a possibility?
frankwren: 3:14 pm I don’t think so…
gsu22: 3:15 pm What is the orginization hoping for out of Mike Hampton next year?
frankwren: 3:16 pm We hope he can return to form… after watching him this week it looks like he is heading in the right direction.
wilson9: 3:17 pm how does our minor league pitching staff look?
frankwren: 3:19 pm I am very excited about our young pitching prospects… we have close to a dozen guys who throw in the mid to high 90’s that look like they can make an impact in the next 4 or 5 years
bravebrave: 3:19 pm Where is Jason Heyward playing position-wise? In the outfield or first base? Can you predict where he?ll end up?
frankwren: 3:20 pm For now he is in RF and watching him in the FIL he is a great athlete and he gets very good jumps… very, very talented!
stlfan1966: 3:21 pm are you going to work out an extension with Chipper Jones?
frankwren: 3:21 pm We have Chipper for a couple more years and we hope he finishes his career here.
harmer: 3:25 pm Any potential trades on the table involving Kelly Johnson and allowing Martin Prado a chance at 2B? Or any thought about moving Kelly back to the outfield to fill in the void of Andruw leaving?
frankwren: 3:26 pm We are fortunate to have quality young players like these two… but we like Kelly at 2b and think he can be one of the best all around players at that position.
tjwashga: 3:27 pm What is Scott Thorman’s future with the Braves?
frankwren: 3:28 pm Scott is playing in Mexico and having a pretty good season so far… he is 3rd in homeruns with 8… we think he has a bright future.
gomabman: 3:28 pm The Braves are in dire need of speed. Will you please pursue Tori Hunter type to fill Andruw Jones’ spot in Center Field?
frankwren: 3:30 pm We have acquired one of the fastest players in baseball in Gorkys Hernandez and we have quite a bit of speed coming up in our other young CF… that is one of the tools we are looking for in our CF job.
tjwashga: 3:31 pm Have you had any discussions with Mark Teixeira on a long-term deal?
frankwren: 3:32 pm I have not, but I had a great conversation the night I was named GM and look forward to having him in the middle of the order for this next year and hopefully many more.
ttiger04: 3:32 pm Are you going to look for more bench depth?
frankwren: 3:33 pm We are trying to give Bobby more options for late innning moves for sure… those players are harder to get than you might think.
tjwashga: 3:34 pm Will Matt Diaz get an opportunity to be the everyday leftfielder?
frankwren: 3:37 pm He has been outstanding the last 2 years in the role Bobby has used him… I’ll just leave it at that and let the Manager decide whats best for the team… got a couple things we are working on that could happen soon and need to get back to the phones… thanks for joining in on this chat and we’ll do it again soon.

[CB1]

He said some things could happen soon at the end. Maybe we'll have Glavine or somebody else back?

Also, he said no more pitchers, so once Glavine (most likely) signs, we can forget Haren and Sabathia etc.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Also, he said no more pitchers, so once Glavine (most likely) signs, we can forget Haren and Sabathia etc.

That's bad! A rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, James and Hampton isn't going to get us anywhere! Three soft-tossing lefties?! God, I hope he's lying!

[vnodnarb]

That's bad! A rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, James and Hampton isn't going to get us anywhere! Three soft-tossing lefties?! God, I hope he's lying!

As long as the two righties aren't back to back, having three lefties won't really matter much.

[McCarroll21]

Also, he said no more pitchers, so once Glavine (most likely) signs, we can forget Haren and Sabathia etc.Smoke. Flowing. Out. Of. Frank's. Ears. Like. He's. A. Chimney.

[Gibby]

Smoke. Flowing. Out. Of. Frank's. Ears. Like. He's. A. Chimney.
How. Are. You. So. Confident. ?. Unless. You. Know. Something. I. dont.

[BravesfaninNC]

By David O'Brien

November 15, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

In a day spent addressing rumors, might as well do one more: Andruw’s not talking to the Braves about coming back. Don’t know where that came from, but Braves aren’t negotiating with Andruw and have no plans to

[McCarroll21]

How. Are. You. So. Confident. ?. Unless. You. Know. Something. I. dont.
I probably do. :) That is all.

[jschafer5]

How. Are. You. So. Confident. ?. Unless. You. Know. Something. I. dont.

What he's sayin makes perfect sense...

[Gibby]

What he's sayin makes perfect sense...
It makes plenty of sense, true. But it also makes sense when your GM says they won't be doing something, and gives the reason why, to believe him.

[JayDonnelly10]

It makes plenty of sense, true. But it also makes sense when your GM says they won't be doing something, and gives the reason why, to believe him.

JS use to say he wasnt going to do anything as well and out of nowwhere he would strike a deal....they play it very close to the vest

JS did it, now Wren is doing it....

but believe what you want

[SCchief]

How. Are. You. So. Confident. ?. Unless. You. Know. Something. I. dont.

Have to agree with McCarroll here, I honestly dont think he would come out and tell us everything. Besides I feel we really can't rely on Hampton, especially the way he has gone the last couple of years

[nickzilla6066]

IMO odds of us getting Haren or Blanton are probably next to nill, hate to say it, but that is probably true. I really don't care what Buster Olney or whatever other half wit at ESPN or wherever else is trying to drum up so that they have something new to talk about on the air, I can't imagine the A's moving either of them, especially Haren for less than a king's ransom, if even then. These guys aren't exactly on the verge of just walking out via free agency or anything similar remember, they are under the A's control for several more years. Even if they blow the team up I would have to imagine management would be smart enough to realize that these are the two guys you keep along with Street.

[JCStone7]

• The Reds are so convinced that minor league player of the year Jay Bruce could be ready for the big leagues by June, they're actively marketing outfielders to clear space. Don't figure on Junior Griffey (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4305) or Adam Dunn (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6763) changing zip codes. But the Reds are aggressively dropping Ryan Freel (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6685)'s name. And maybe most surprisingly, they've told other teams Josh Hamilton (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6679) is also available in the right deal. "It really makes you wonder about his health," said an official of one team that spoke with them, "and whether all that time he missed took more of a toll than we thought."

Source (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3121887&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1)

[dogmanx23]

Johan Santana is on the trade market according to ESPN. Anyone think we have a chance to get him?

James, Jojo, KJ, Lillibride for Johan and we sign him long term?

[Chief Knockahoma]

Johan Santana is on the trade market according to ESPN. Anyone think we have a chance to get him?

James, Jojo, KJ, Lillibride for Johan and we sign him long term?

no.

just no.

[dogmanx23]

no.

just no.

why not??? if we have money to spend id hope we spend it on a guy like Johan.... I know we need to sign tex also... but damn a rotation for

Smotlz, Johan, Hudson, Glavine, Hampton or the other 3 prospects we have DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BGarrett7]

why not???And just who would the Braves cough up to get Santana?

[JCStone7]

Johan Santana is on the trade market according to ESPN. Anyone think we have a chance to get him?

James, Jojo, KJ, Lillibride for Johan and we sign him long term?

First off :lol:

Second I've never heard of this Lillbride character.

And Third the Twins would want a whole lot more than that for a perennial Cy Young candidate.

[josephw000]

First off :lol:

Second I've never heard of this Lillbride character.

And Third the Twins would want a whole lot more than that for a perennial Cy Young candidate.


I heard Frenchy, KJ and more.....

[dogmanx23]

frenchy kj and more LOL if thats the case Minny can keep him...

[SamtheBravesFan]

frenchy kj and more LOL if thats the case Minny can keep him...

The price is steep for the man who has won 2 Cy Youngs already. It may be nitpicking, but he had his worst season last year as a starter. Hmmm... ;)

[dogmanx23]

The price is steep for the man who has won 2 Cy Youngs already. It may be nitpicking, but he had his worst season last year as a starter. Hmmm... ;)

hey it was an idea i hope he goes to boston or something and not the yankees or mets..

[SamtheBravesFan]

hey it was an idea i hope he goes to boston or something and not the yankees or mets..

Boston isn't exactly the "saintly" organization anymore. They're Yankees Lite. Whether we like it or not, Santana is going to one of the three teams of the Evil Empire set in the northeast U.S., and there isn't really anything we can do to stop it.

Unless the Dodgers blow the Twins away with something. Los Angeles isn't evil. Yet.

[JCStone7]

Well if anyone can throw prospects at the wind it would be the Dodgers.

[dogmanx23]

Boston isn't exactly the "saintly" organization anymore. They're Yankees Lite. Whether we like it or not, Santana is going to one of the three teams of the Evil Empire set in the northeast U.S., and there isn't really anything we can do to stop it.

Unless the Dodgers blow the Twins away with something. Los Angeles isn't evil. Yet.

i dunno where i read it but the mets best offer starts with Lastings gomaz, and pelfrey... i just laughed at that... Boston, Yankees (I HATE YOU) , dodgers , even the braves can offer more then that crap...

[SamtheBravesFan]

Well if anyone can throw prospects at the wind it would be the Dodgers.

Exactly. Plus, if they're going to sign Andruw, they'll probably trade Ethier or Kemp (or both?) as part of the package for Santana.

[josephw000]

Exactly. Plus, if they're going to sign Andruw, they'll probably trade Ethier or Kemp (or both?) as part of the package for Santana.

Yah, L.A is on pace to field a pretty good ball club for Torre...

[nickzilla6066]

Boston isn't exactly the "saintly" organization anymore. They're Yankees Lite. Whether we like it or not, Santana is going to one of the three teams of the Evil Empire set in the northeast U.S., and there isn't really anything we can do to stop it.

Unless the Dodgers blow the Twins away with something. Los Angeles isn't evil. Yet.

Mets and Yanks might be out, they are too reluctant to move players that the Twins want according to ESPN. Apparently Twins want Reyes and prospects from the Mets or 2/3 of the Yank's vaunted trio of young stud pitchers. Again, these teams are stupid for not doing it. Santana is what, 28 or 29. Just look at his stats, he would do more for the Mets in terms of preventing runs than Reyes does adding them. Reyes really isn't nearly so important as people try to make him out to be. Seriously, Omar, Reyes, the Mets as a whole, all overrated.

[Gibby]

Seriously, Omar, Reyes, the Mets as a whole, all overrated.
Wow, that's interesting. Last I heard, those "overrated" Mets finished ahead of us for the last 2 seasons. I sure wish the Braves would be "overrated" like that.

[nickzilla6066]

Wow, that's interesting. Last I heard, those "overrated" Mets finished ahead of us for the last 2 seasons. I sure wish the Braves would be "overrated" like that.

Overrated in the sense that for three years now virtually every sports reporter has penciled them in for 100 wins and a walk off division win. They aren't that great and have proven it. Fact is the Mets, Phils and Braves are all pretty much equal right now and were pretty much all year.

[Boogotshot]

ESPN is reprting that the Atlanta Braves and Seattle Mariners are in talks to send J.J. Putz to Atlanta for a starting pitcher to be named. Possibly Jo-Jo Reyes.

[BGarrett7]

And why the hell would we subtract from somewhere in which we need improvement to add to an area in which we're looking to be quite stable? This rumor makes absolutely no sense.

[JCStone7]

Okay. Seriously is this is what BN is turning in to? We ripped Soriano away from them for less than nothing and you think we're going to get a damn good closer for something less than proven?

[Boogotshot]

Hey, I didn't make this up. Check out ESPN.com page 2.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/index

[JCStone7]

Hey, I didn't make this up. Check out ESPN.com page 2.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/index

You do realize Page 2 has the sole job of making fun of sports?

[BGarrett7]

Hey, I didn't make this up. Check out ESPN.com page 2.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/indexDid you happen to even read the other "Preliminary Talks" ?

• Angels: In preliminary talks with Mike Cameron, in hopes of overpaying for another 30+ center fielder.

• Mariners: In preliminary talks of trading J.J. Putz to Atlanta for some crappy starting pitcher.

• Royals: In preliminary talks to become Boston's Triple-A affiliate.

• Rangers: In preliminary talks to make a bid for A-Rod.

• Pirates: In preliminary talks to have their games rated Arrrrrrrrrr.

• Cardinals: In preliminary talks with Dr. Phil, Tony La Russa and Scott Rolen.

• Diamondbacks: In preliminary talks with Tom Emansky.

• A's: In preliminary talks of hiring a moving company for Dan Haren.

• Orioles: In preliminary talks to remind Kevin Millar he's no longer under contract with the Red Sox.

• Mets: In preliminary talks with Dr. Knobb.

• Giants: In preliminary talks of acquiring Jamie Moyer, Mike Timlin, Randy Johnson and Julio Franco.

• Cubs: In preliminary talks with Ferris Bueller.

• Red Sox: In preliminary talks to award a half playoff share to C.C. Sabathia.

• Feds: In preliminary talks with Barry Bonds' attorneys.

[Hobbes]

Perhaps one should have to pass a quiz to get posting privileges.

[JCStone7]

Perhaps one should have to pass a quiz to get posting privileges.

Probably, one should know ESPN's page 2 is not a viable source

[GrandMasterB]

• Cubs: In preliminary talks with Ferris Bueller.

I can just see it now. Now batting for the Cubs - Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.

Perhaps one should have to pass a quiz to get posting privileges.

LOL, After seeing some of these posts from the past couple days, I'm afraid half the board wouldn't pass.

[JCStone7]

I can just see it now. Now batting for the Cubs - Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.

Don't forget his personal catcher.

Frye, Frye, Frye.

[Tex4Prez]

Did you happen to even read the other "Preliminary Talks" ?

• Giants: In preliminary talks of acquiring Jamie Moyer, Mike Timlin, Randy Johnson and Julio Franco.


this one made me rofl seriously:D

[C-Dawg]

Perhaps one should have to pass a quiz to get posting privileges.

I think his post is symptomatic of what you and I have said on here numerous times. Very few people here get the whole sarcasm thing. :nod:

[Gibby]

ESPN is reprting that the Atlanta Braves and Seattle Mariners are in talks to send J.J. Putz to Atlanta for a starting pitcher to be named. Possibly Jo-Jo Reyes.
I've been stationed near Seattle now for about three years and I can tell you, Seattle fans are still pretty pissed about the Soriano deal. I don't see this deal happening, but if it does, Putz is one of the most dominant pitchers I've ever seen.
(And now I see that it's a joke... way to go me)

[gobraves07]

C'Mon...You don't want that to be your 100th post, do you? That whole article was just a joke...

[Gibby]

C'Mon...You don't want that to be your 100th post, do you? That whole article was just a joke...
Haha. Yea, I noticed that after I read the source. What a waste! What a waste! At least I got this out of it...
• Feds: In preliminary talks with Barry Bonds' attorneys

[gobravez]

Did you happen to even read the other "Preliminary Talks" ?

• Angels: In preliminary talks with Mike Cameron, in hopes of overpaying for another 30+ center fielder.

• Mariners: In preliminary talks of trading J.J. Putz to Atlanta for some crappy starting pitcher.

• Royals: In preliminary talks to become Boston's Triple-A affiliate.

• Rangers: In preliminary talks to make a bid for A-Rod.

• Pirates: In preliminary talks to have their games rated Arrrrrrrrrr.

• Cardinals: In preliminary talks with Dr. Phil, Tony La Russa and Scott Rolen.

• Diamondbacks: In preliminary talks with Tom Emansky.

• A's: In preliminary talks of hiring a moving company for Dan Haren.

• Orioles: In preliminary talks to remind Kevin Millar he's no longer under contract with the Red Sox.

• Mets: In preliminary talks with Dr. Knobb.

• Giants: In preliminary talks of acquiring Jamie Moyer, Mike Timlin, Randy Johnson and Julio Franco.

• Cubs: In preliminary talks with Ferris Bueller

• Red Sox: In preliminary talks to award a half playoff share to C.C. Sabathia.

• Feds: In preliminary talks with Barry Bonds' attorneys.

HA HA HA! I think these were the best two:

• Giants: In preliminary talks of acquiring Jamie Moyer, Mike Timlin, Randy Johnson and Julio Franco.

• Cubs: In preliminary talks with Ferris Bueller

[gobraves07]

Braves: In preliminary talks with Steve Avery, Charlie Liebrandt, and Mark Wohlers...

[josephw000]

I like the royals one...

Royals: In preliminary talks to become Boston's Triple-A affiliate.


Love it.

[Boogotshot]

OK, don't drink and post. Lesson learned

[Jsh1284]

Well, the guys in the Santana thread are close when it comes to their proposed trade with the Rays. The Rays-Twins are close to a Delmon Young - Garza deal. That should help out the Twinkies' lineup after losing Hunter. Won't replace him though.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3131988&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

[JCStone7]

OK, don't drink and post. Lesson learned

I do it all the time. Just gotta be smart :beer:

[MSU Bulldog]

Stark (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3132761)

Clubs talking to the Red Sox about Coco Crisp report that the Sox have put all those discussions on hold until the Santana trade talks have played themselves out. So those clubs are now making alternative plans.

The Rangers, for instance, are believed to have kicked the tires on a group that includes Rocco Baldelli, Jim Edmonds and Juan Pierre. But the Braves, who had also been interested, are now so charged up about center-field prospect Jordan Schafer's chances of making it to the big leagues by midyear, they may try to get by for a couple of months with a lesser name -- a Dave Roberts type or recently acquired ex-Astros prospect Josh Anderson

If anyone kicked the tires on Edmonds or Baldelli they'd deflate. I'm sure LA would love to unload Pierre, I sure wouldn't want him either.

[C-Dawg]

As far as pitching goes, I know that in years past the braves have expressed interest in jake Westbrook. I wonder if the Injuns may still have some interest in dealing him to us and what it would take.

[JCStone7]

As far as pitching goes, I know that in years past the braves have expressed interest in jake Westbrook. I wonder if the Injuns may still have some interest in dealing him to us and what it would take.

I absolutely love Westbrook cuz I've met him personally and he's Huddy-lite. I don't think the Indians are willing to deal him though.

[JCStone7]

Orioles - Bedard talks stall (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles30nov30,0,7480581.story)

[lmartin6]

As far as pitching goes, I know that in years past the braves have expressed interest in jake Westbrook. I wonder if the Injuns may still have some interest in dealing him to us and what it would take.

Another local product, just like the Braves have proven to obviously love. I'd definitely take him over what we trotted out all year last year 3 out of every 5 games.

Also, my brother played against him in high school, so that would be cool for him to be playing with the Braves because of that, as well.

[JCStone7]

Another local product, just like the Braves have proven to obviously love. I'd definitely take him over what we trotted out all year last year 3 out of every 5 games.

Also, my brother played against him in high school, so that would be cool for him to be playing with the Braves because of that, as well.

Yeah no doubt LM. My aunt is a minister in Watkinsville/Athens or those whereabouts and he was a member of her church. He's a real awesome dude.

[Gibby]

Also, my brother played against Westbrook in high school, so that would be cool for him to be playing with the Braves because of that, as well.

Yeah no doubt LM. My aunt is a minister in Watkinsville/Athens or those whereabouts and he was a member of her church. He's a real awesome dude.

Yea, my brother's ex-wife's third cousin's good friend's uncle knew Westbrook's high school english teacher!
Sorry, I'm bored!

[JCStone7]

Yea, my brother's ex-wife's third cousin's good friend's uncle knew Westbrook's high school english teacher!
Sorry, I'm bored!

:refuck:

[Gibby]

:refuck:
I know, I had that comin. lol

[gobravez]

I think Lavell has been sending some trade ideas into espn. HA HA.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3132761

[BGarrett7]

Heard Stark talking about some of these on ESPNews this afternoon, some high comedy there.

[JCStone7]

The Cabrera for a stadium deal is just classic.

[Gibby]

Andy Pettitte will be returning to the Yankees in 2008. Here's most of the article...
(http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3139152)

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Andy Pettitte (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5331) has decided to put off retirement and pitch for the New York Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy) in 2008. Pettitte's agent, Randy Hendricks, said Monday that the 35-year-old left-hander had started telling teammates on Sunday. Hendricks then informed Yankees general manager Brian Cashman of the news.
"Many teammates have called urging Andy to return as well as manager Joe Girardi (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4296)," Hendricks said, according to the Chronicle. "It's well known that the Yankees have publicly stated that they were ready for Andy when Andy was ready."
Pettitte pitched for the Yankees last season on a one-year, $16 million contract. He earlier declined a $16 million player option for 2008, but the Yankees have offered him salary arbitration.
Pettitte has a 201-113 career record with a 3.83 ERA over 13 seasons with the Yankees and Astros. He went 15-9 with a 4.05 ERA in 36 starts in 2007.

[McCarroll21]

I heard that about Pettitte this morning on XM. They were talking about how much this may change what the Yankees may do on the Santana market.

[Gibby]

I heard that about Pettitte this morning on XM. They were talking about how much this may change what the Yankees may do on the Santana market.
Yea, I was thinking this probably had something to do with their deadline for Santana.

[Hobbes]

I heard that about Pettitte this morning on XM. They were talking about how much this may change what the Yankees may do on the Santana market.
IMO they shouldn't let it impact what they do at all. Bringing back Pettitte for one more year doesn't lessen their need for an ace, and Santana would ostensibly be a long-term solution.

[dogmanx23]

if the yankees don't get santana they will go after Haren hard... Pettitte isn't going to help them they need more starting pitching... Joba was nice in the bullpen no one has seen him as a starter yet. Hughes is good but not great as people say he is.. kennedy isn't proven.. Mussina is old.. they need Santana more then anyone.. hopefully they don't get him tho i hate the yankees so much.

[GTBrave]

Phil Hughes isn't proven yet. But he is top notch.

[vnodnarb]

if the yankees don't get santana they will go after Haren hard... Pettitte isn't going to help them they need more starting pitching... Joba was nice in the bullpen no one has seen him as a starter yet. Hughes is good but not great as people say he is.. kennedy isn't proven.. Mussina is old.. they need Santana more then anyone.. hopefully they don't get him tho i hate the yankees so much.

Did they say they are using Joba as a starter next year or is it still up in the air?

[JCStone7]

Did they say they are using Joba as a starter next year or is it still up in the air?

If Hughes is traded more than likely. But probably not if Hughes stays.

Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes, and Clemens

[dogmanx23]

Jaba is a start next year clemens isn't coming back. the rotation was probably going to be

Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes, Jaba is no one was traded...

[MSU Bulldog]

Jaba is a start next year clemens isn't coming back. the rotation was probably going to be

Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes, Jaba is no one was traded...

Are you referring to ......

http://www.blessedquietness.com/jabba.jpg

[Hobbes]

Jaba is a start next year clemens isn't coming back. the rotation was probably going to be

Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Hughes, Jaba is no one was traded...
And that is a rotation that instills fear in no team.

[dogmanx23]

And that is a rotation that instills fear in no team.


well look at what they did last season nothing Mussina isn't the same.. Wang got hit very hard in the playoffs, Hughes hasn't proven anything, Jaba hasn't started in the MLB yet, Pettitte is the only thing that anyone could fear in that lineup.

They need Santana more then anything.. Bostons rotation is scary...

[tigerfan]

well look at what they did last season nothing Mussina isn't the same.. Wang got hit very hard in the playoffs, Hughes hasn't proven anything, Jaba hasn't started in the MLB yet, Pettitte is the only thing that anyone could fear in that lineup.

They need Santana more then anything.. Bostons rotation is scary...
key word playoffs. i wouldnt quite say the yankees did nothing last season.

[gobravez]

Bobby Cox talked to Steve Finley today... no thanks.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071203&content_id=2316212&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

[Hobbes]

Bobby Cox talked to Steve Finley today... no thanks.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071203&content_id=2316212&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl
Dude is like 53 years old.

[Chief Knockahoma]

Bobby Cox talked to Steve Finley today... no thanks.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071203&content_id=2316212&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

eh...depends on the price. and something tells me the price would be a little too much.

but if the price were right, why not? he'd bring that veteran leadership that Bobby has a hard-on for.

but like i said...something tells me the price would be a little too much.

[Hobbes]

Here's (http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=590) a nice quick analysis of Finley's value:

Since 2004, however, as can be expected, Finley’s production has declined dramatically:
Stat: 2004/2005/2006/2007
Batting Average: .271/.222/.246/.181
On-based Percentage: .333/.271/.320/.245
Slugging Percentage: .490/.374/.394/.245In 2007, at the age of 42, Finley had one home run and two RBIs in 94 at bats. Bottom line, unless he’s able to turn back the clock four full years, Finley doesn’t offer any offensive value.

So perhaps Finley has value defensively. Let’s see. In 2007 he had a revised zone rating of .854 and made just four outs considered out of his zone in 155 innings played in center. How does this relate to other National League center fielders? Of the center fielders who had at least 155 innings played in center field, only five (Jim Edmonds, Chris Burke, Bill Hall, Rajai Davis, and Ryan Freel) had lower zone ratings and 30 had higher ratings. So, Finley ranked 6th out of 36 center fielders in this category. So, it appears Finley does not offer defensive value.

[Chief Knockahoma]

ha ha...in that case...really anything would be too much for Mr. Finley.

[gobravez]

He is a nice guy, but he is julio franco type old and he just doesn't have it anymore. in fact, Julio has more pop and he looks more athletic, I'd rather have him in CF over Finley. :)

[BravePiKapp]

WFAN radio in New York reports that "there's news floating around that the Mets are close on Erik Bedard."

The Bedard rumors have picked up steam since he reportedly told the Orioles that he's not interested in working out a long-term contract extension. There's some speculation that the Orioles could ask the Mets to take Miguel Tejada and his contract back in a Bedard trade, but it's unclear where Tejada would play in New York. It remains to be seen if the Mets have the pieces to pull off a trade for Bedard even after dealing Lastings Milledge

hope this doesnt go down

[Hobbes]

hope this doesnt go down
Echoed.

[Hobbes]

From the AJC: (http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/braves/stories/2007/12/03/bbwinter_1204.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21)

The Braves would like to add another experienced center fielder to play the position and give prospect Jordan Schafer another season in the minors before he takes over. Free agent center fielder Steve Finley showed up at the meetings Monday and was spotted chatting with Braves manager Bobby Cox, but a Braves official said Finley hasn't been discussed and isn't in the team's plans.

[gobravez]

From the AJC: (http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/braves/stories/2007/12/03/bbwinter_1204.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21)

WHEEEW!

[GrandMasterB]

As much whining and moaning there was last season about Andruw Jones, could you imagine how it would be if we had Steve Finley roaming center for a whole season?

[SamtheBravesFan]

As much whining and moaning there was last season about Andruw Jones, could you imagine how it would be if we had Steve Finley roaming center for a whole season?

I shudder to think of it.

[Chief Knockahoma]

As much whining and moaning there was last season about Andruw Jones, could you imagine how it would be if we had Steve Finley roaming center for a whole season?

it'd be like Andruw never left. at least Finley would have a reason for his performance. :D

[JCStone7]

As much whining and moaning there was last season about Andruw Jones, could you imagine how it would be if we had Steve Finley roaming center for a whole season?

Yeah, cuz I'm sure everyone would bitch about a 29 HR-90+ RBI season from Steve Finley. :rolleyes:

And before everyone goes up in arms. I know Finley wouldn't make as much as Andruw but Andruw is gone.

[GrandMasterB]

Yeah, cuz I'm sure everyone would bitch about a 29 HR-90+ RBI season from Steve Finley. :rolleyes:

And before everyone goes up in arms. I know Finley wouldn't make as much as Andruw but Andruw is gone.

That wouldn't be too likely to happen though, as he hasn't approached those type of numbers since 2004. :)

[JCStone7]

That wouldn't be too likely to happen though, as he hasn't approached those type of numbers since 2004. :)

I know, but I'm tired of the Andruw bashing. He's gone, so let it go everyone.

[KB 34]

Steve Finley: proof there are scarier options than Willie Harris in CF, which is saying something. The Braves would be better off donating $2 million to charity than paying that kind of money to Finley.

[tigerfan]

is josh anderson's defense caparable to langerhans?

[CB1]

Braves are interested in Nate McLouth of the Pirates.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-071203cubs,1,1498288.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

[jarhaley]

"McLouth can be had for a middle-relief pitcher like Carmen Pignatiello, Neal Cotts or Will Ohman, who also is drawing interest from Atlanta."

I took that as the Braves have/had interest in Ohman, obviously true, rather then in McLouth.

[JCStone7]

I wonder if the Pirates would take Ohman for McLouth?

[CB1]

BTW, Marlins and Tigers close to huge blockbuster involving Willis and Cabrera. As well as Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7525396

[JCStone7]

In that same article CB1 posted I hope we're inquiring about Cliff Lee

[dogmanx23]

BTW, Marlins and Tigers close to huge blockbuster involving Willis and Cabrera. As well as Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7525396

damn........ tigers are going for it all...

[CB1]

Noah Lowry would be interesting...

[JCStone7]

damn........ tigers are going for it all...

That's kind of the point isn't it.

[CB1]

This is funny, I'm watching Bill Shanks figuratively throwing stuff because he hates the idea of a James-DeJesus trade, as he hates DeJesus. Wrong again by Shanks...

[C-Dawg]

I agree with Shanks. I see Dejesus a lot like the guy we just got from the Cubs to backup SS. it would be a needlessly cautious move, just for the sake of having a veteran in there....like the ridiculous move that Bobby was just salivating over last year to bring us a veteran secondbaseman (Castillo?) in the LaRoche deal, who was a total crap player, but by God he had experience. if things had gone Bobby's way, we would have had that turd splitting time (and prolly taking a majority of time away from ) Kelly Johnson.

Just trust in our young guys who will likely give you what you'll get from a Dejesus, and save the pitching/prospects/money for bigger deals or to actually have them in a Braves unie one day.

[Buszka818]

BTW, Marlins and Tigers close to huge blockbuster involving Willis and Cabrera. As well as Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7525396

I just don't understand this. When they were shopping Cabrera they were asking for supposedly Nick Adenhart and Ervin Santana plus others from the Angels. Now they are willing to give the Tigers Cabrera AND Willis for Maybin and Miller plus others. Why would the Marlins go after a trade where they'd give more and not seemingly get more?

Heck if this is true, why don't the Braves offer James and some prospects for Cabrera and Willis, and then keep Willis and trade Cabrera.

[MSU Bulldog]

I just don't understand this. When they were shopping Cabrera they were asking for supposedly Nick Adenhart and Ervin Santana plus others from the Angels. Now they are willing to give the Tigers Cabrera AND Willis for Maybin and Miller plus others. Why would the Marlins go after a trade where they'd give more and not seemingly get more?

Heck if this is true, why don't the Braves offer James and some prospects for Cabrera and Willis, and then keep Willis and trade Cabrera.

Because Maybin is a blue chip CF'er they have been coveting for two years. They need to off load Willis while they can.

[McCarroll21]

How can anyone not like DeJesus? He's a pretty good ball player. He struggled a bit last year, but still had a .351 OBP, scored 100 runs and drove in almost 60 from the top of the order. The two years previous, he was a .290/.360/.445 hitter, and that's probably more of a consistent sample size.

He's not great in center field, but he can get it done until Schafer gets here. If nothing else, it keeps us from rushing Schafer.

He's usually a pretty decent OBP guy. If you go KJ-DeJesus-Chipper, that's an OBP nightmare for pitchers.

Then if Jordan forces his way to the majors this year he could move over into left and platoon with Diaz and it won't be such a bad platoon as the Harris thing.

I'm not sure if I like Chuck for DeJesus straight up. I'd try to add Thorman to our side and at least get a pitching prospect in return, Leo Nunez would be great but probably not likely.

[C-Dawg]

How can anyone not like DeJesus? He's a pretty good ball player. He struggled a bit last year, but still had a .351 OBP, scored 100 runs and drove in almost 60 from the top of the order. The two years previous, he was a .290/.360/.445 hitter, and that's probably more of a consistent sample size.

He's not great in center field, but he can get it done until Schafer gets here. If nothing else, it keeps us from rushing Schafer.

He's usually a pretty decent OBP guy. If you go KJ-DeJesus-Chipper, that's an OBP nightmare for pitchers.

Then if Jordan forces his way to the majors this year he could move over into left and platoon with Diaz and it won't be such a bad platoon as the Harris thing.

I'm not sure if I like Chuck for DeJesus straight up. I'd try to add Thorman to our side and at least get a pitching prospect in return, Leo Nunez would be great but probably not likely.

It's not that I hate DeJesus or anything, but he just doesn't tickle my fancy....just a place holder more than anything. I see him as an Oddibee McDowel or Dion James. Can't we get that production out of our own youngsters or some FA without giving anythign up and being committed long-term to this guy?

[Gibby]

He's usually a pretty decent OBP guy. If you go KJ-DeJesus-Chipper, that's an OBP nightmare for pitchers.

Throw in Tex afterwards! Very nice, I like! http://www.ironsidemetalworks.com/BG/Contact/Borat.jpg

[JCStone7]

1:10 p.m., from Jerry Crasnick
• The Rockies touched base Tuesday with Joe Bick, the agent for free-agent second baseman Marcus Giles.

[BGarrett7]

1:10 p.m., from Jerry Crasnick
• The Rockies touched base Tuesday with Joe Bick, the agent for free-agent second baseman Marcus Giles.A very good place for Marcus to end up. He offers them more defense than Matsui did, and given the hitter-friendly confines of Coors Field, he could very easily find the stroke that he seems to have lost. Not to mention, Giles at his worst couldn't be much more of an offense drop-off than what they dealt with last year between Kaz and Carroll.

[JCStone7]

3:44 p.m., from Enrique Rojas
• The Royals have expressed interest in Sammy Sosa, according to a source. Sosa has the same agent as Jose Guillen, Adam Katz, and the two sides are trying to determine some financial numbers that make sense.


3:34 p.m., from Buster Olney
• The Blue Jays continue to talk with the Orioles about left-hander Erik Bedard.
Toronto probably has the young pitching to anchor a deal.

Also all of these are found here (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3140986&name=winter_meetings).

[JCStone7]

2:33 p.m., from Amy Nelson
• The A's are looking to move Dan Haren -- but only for the right deal. They reached out to the Tigers and asked for Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller, but Detroit won't trade both, two baseball sources said. Oakland won't come to the table without those two players included in any talks.

I think that officially ends the Haren to Atlanta talk. We don't have near the prospects that are the same as Maybin and Miller.

[PhantomsCV]

My question is that, since the Braves have so much money, why aren't they playing in the FA market??? Or are they and we're not hearing about it.

[JCStone7]

My question is that, since the Braves have so much money, why aren't they playing in the FA market??? Or are they and we're not hearing about it.

The Braves don't have a lot of money. They paid raises to Smoltz, Hudson, and Teixeira via arbitration. Not to mention the money we did save on trading Renteria was spent on Tom Glavine.

[vnodnarb]

My question is that, since the Braves have so much money, why aren't they playing in the FA market??? Or are they and we're not hearing about it.

What makes you think they have no so much money? They already have more money invested in 2008 than 2007 without a complete team.

[JCStone7]

5:55 p.m., from Buster Olney • Both the Diamondbacks and Dodgers have talked to the A's about Dan Haren. Oakland wantd young pitching in return for the ace.


• The Angels are denying that they're in on Johan Santana.

[vnodnarb]

• The Angels are denying that they're in on Johan Santana

Sounds like the Twins are trying squeeze a little more from the Red Sox now that the Yankees are out of it, or at least they say they are.

[JCStone7]

6:10 p.m., from Jayson Stark
• The Royals seem as if they're in on every free agent in baseball. And they're now talking to left-handed reliever Ron Mahay, who is coming off a great year and has a string of bidders that includes the Yankees, Astros, Giants and Rays.


• Since the Padres offered free-agent catcher Michael Barrett arbitration, the Rays and Marlins have both had second thoughts about surrendering the No. 2 pick they would lose because Barrett is a Type A free agent. The Orioles would have interest if they deal Ramon Hernandez. So would the Giants if they trade Bengie Molina. And Barrett always has the option of accepting arbitration from San Diego.


• Officials of two clubs that have been in contact with the Mets used the same expression -- "in trouble" -- to describe their efforts to deal for a starting pitcher. It's believed they haven't talked to either the A's (about Dan Haren) or Orioles (about Erik Bedard) since they arrived in Nashville. And there are indications that they aren't as interested in free agents Livan Hernandez or Carlos Silva as they've been portrayed to be, either.

I thought all were interesting and worth posting.

[Hobbes]

• Since the Padres offered free-agent catcher Michael Barrett arbitration, the Rays and Marlins have both had second thoughts about surrendering the No. 2 pick they would lose because Barrett is a Type A free agent. The Orioles would have interest if they deal Ramon Hernandez. So would the Giants if they trade Bengie Molina. And Barrett always has the option of accepting arbitration from San Diego.
How the hell is Barrett a Type A? He had a .653 OPS (68 OPS+) last year, as opposed to a .724 OPS (88 OPS+) for Andruw. I know he gets extra credit for being a catcher, but I don't see how those crappy numbers warrant a Type A status.

[JCStone7]

How the hell is Barrett a Type A? He had a .653 OPS (68 OPS+) last year, as opposed to a .724 OPS (88 OPS+) for Andruw. I know he gets extra credit for being a catcher, but I don't see how those crappy numbers warrant a Type A status.

No idea, but that certainly doesn't help his case that teams would have to give up a high pick for him.

[JCStone7]

8:12 p.m., from Steve Phillips
• The Mets offered Aaron Heilman, Carlos Gomez and Philip Humber for Erik Bedard.

:lol:

[nickzilla6066]

8:12 p.m., from Steve Phillips
• The Mets offered Aaron Heilman, Carlos Gomez and Philip Humber for Erik Bedard.

:lol:

Mets fans don't realize they don't have a farm system. All anyone here in New York talks about is how great Heilman would be as a starter and how wonderful Humber is, these guys should be good enough to get any pitcher, etc. etc. Meanwhile back in the real world........

[Jsh1284]

Get off the crack, Minaya. He isn't even hispanic.

[GTBrave]

8:12 p.m., from Steve Phillips
• The Mets offered Aaron Heilman, Carlos Gomez and Philip Humber for Erik Bedard.

:lol:

If that is considered an acceptable trade then we should make an offer to the birds. :nod: ;)

[Gibby]

If that is considered an acceptable trade then we should make an offer to the birds. :nod: ;)
Yea, or maybe we should offer Scott Thorman for Johan Santana staight up!

[JCStone7]

• Nine teams have inquired about Kris Benson, who is recovering from shoulder surgery. So Benson will work out for all interested teams Dec. 17.

Hmmm?