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dogmanx23

10-18-2007, 05:08 PM

watching ESPN right now he was offered 5 million and 3 million in bonuses if he made the world series and he turned it down..

joe torre just got respect from me.. after all the disrespect the yankees showed him after 12 years of good baseball he just said SCREW YOU! I LOVE IT

McCarroll21

10-18-2007, 05:16 PM

HA! I bet The Boss and his minions didn't even think that could happen. Someone turned down the Yankees? Wow.

I'm not sure if Torre has anything better lined up, but I would assume just getting out from under the crap would be a huge improvement. It's not like he's in a situation where he needs to work for the money.

dogmanx23

10-18-2007, 05:18 PM

MSU Bulldog

10-18-2007, 05:31 PM

I wonder what LaRussa will look like in pinstripes?

McCarroll21

10-18-2007, 05:39 PM

I wonder what LaRussa will look like in pinstripes?
La Russa isn't a fool [well, he is but not in this particular situation]. He won't be going there, he's indicated that he wants to stay in St. Louis. If he leaves, he'll move West.

If Girardi wants it, it's his.

Edit: Had to clarify on the foolishness of La Russa.

absintheofmalaise

10-18-2007, 05:43 PM

Girardi's managerial style would go over really well in a clubhouse full of egos like the MFYs have. That would be high comedy at it's best.

Hobbes

10-18-2007, 05:48 PM

LaRussa is as unsuited to the Yankee job as they come, and he surely knows that.

Torre is a good manager, but not as good as his current reputation. He benefitted from having the best players year after year and unlimited pockets to bail the team out when players didn't work out. His skill set was uniquely beneficial to that specific situation, keeping a bunch of high-priced talent happy and maintaining an even keel in NY while working for an asshole. He will never see the same kind of success with another team.

Still, I respect him for tossing that joke of an offer back in the Yankees' faces. It's ridiculous to have a large bulk of your contract tied to performance incentives for each round of the playoffs reached.

gobravez

10-18-2007, 06:10 PM

if bobby retires next season i wouldn't mind torre as a coach here in ATL... i don't think we could afford him tho... Mad props to Torre tho

Torre GONE
Posada
Rivera
A Rod
Petetite
Clemens

ARE NEXT!

torre can stay away from atlanta. He didnt have hardly any success before going to New York. The only reason he was succesful there was 200 million dollars

JayDonnelly10

10-18-2007, 06:18 PM

If Girardi wants it, it's his.

I still have a feeling Mattingly is going to take the job....contradictory to previous reports

cjones1999

10-18-2007, 06:24 PM

torre can stay away from atlanta. He didnt have hardly any success before going to New York. The only reason he was succesful there was 200 million dollars
might I remind you of his good management with us in the 70's

milbraves

10-18-2007, 06:41 PM

I can't believe they offerred him a one year deal. What a joke. Why on earth would he want to accept less money for next year then have to go through this job limbo/media circus in another year. i heard some "analyst" on tv saying that at torre's age it wouldn't make sense to offer a multi year gig, but i don't get that at all.

Hobbes

10-18-2007, 06:43 PM

JCStone7

10-18-2007, 06:52 PM

might I remind you of his good management with us in the 70's

So young so naive. Considering he only managed Atlanta for 3 seasons in the early 80's and won with Bobby Cox's players his first year and then started his mediocrity, then went to St. Louis and stunk it up there.

gobravez

10-18-2007, 06:52 PM

might I remind you of his good management with us in the 70's

he didnt manage the braves in the 70's

1977 was his first year as a manager. From 1977-1981 with the mets he had a horrid .405 winning percentage

then from 1982-1984 with atlanta he made the playoffs once, getting swept in the playoffs in 82. He had a .529 winning % with the braves.

The next team he managed was the cardinals from 90-95, he didn't get in the playoffs in any of those years, and had a .498 winning percentage with them.

So before going to the yankees his team made the playoffs once out of fourteen years. Yeah, so what were you reminding me of again?

vnodnarb

10-18-2007, 08:31 PM

Reading his pre-Yankees credentials, how exactly did he get the job in NY?

JCStone7

10-18-2007, 08:34 PM

Reading his pre-Yankees credentials, how exactly did he get the job in NY?

Cuz he's one of those managers that can be influenced by upper management. Basically at the time the polar opposite of Buck Showalter.

PhantomsCV

10-18-2007, 10:35 PM

Any manager would turn that offer down!

That's not even going into the new stadium! It's 1 season, THAT'S ALL! If I were Joe, I would accept a contract of 2+ years, NOT one!

CobbFC09

10-18-2007, 11:26 PM

The Yankees obviously didn't care of they would've at least tried to negotiate some kind of deal with him. Sucks for the Yankees. I don't know why they don't just pay him. He's taken the Yankees to the playoffs for 12 straight years. I guess that's not good enough. Although, they haven't been to the World Series since 2000 you have got to give the man credit. He has taken them to the World Series 3 times since the start of the century which no other team has done.

Rick

10-19-2007, 05:36 AM

Torre was never quite as good after Don Zimmer quit as his bench coach . Zim had an amazing knack for knowing what was going to happen next in a game and tipping off Torre .

I hate the Yankees ( always have ) but I don't blame Torre for quitting . A one year contract with a paycut after what he has done is an insult and the Yankees know it . I think they did it on purpose knowing that Joe would turn it down . It shows a complete lack of class which sounds just like George .

gobravez

10-19-2007, 09:36 AM

Really, Im surprised George even offered him anything.

MSU Bulldog

10-19-2007, 09:42 AM

Really, Im surprised George even offered him anything.

I think he had to offer him something. He at least had to make show to try and keep the FA's they want to bring back and keep the Torre fans from an all out riot. This way he can at least say, I made him an offer, he chose to reject it.

JCStone7

10-19-2007, 11:57 AM

MSU Bulldog

10-19-2007, 12:04 PM

Maybe but I think Posada & Rivera are smart enough to read between the lines.

Of course, everyone is smart enough to read between the lines, but he can still say, I made him an offer and he rejected it. That makes him look a little better than than his if we don't make it to the AL Championship, your gone comments.

JayDonnelly10

10-19-2007, 01:07 PM

Rotoworld.com reports:

The New York Daily News lists Don Mattingly, Joe Girardi, Tony La Russa, Trey Hillman, Tony Pena, and Buck Showalter as the top candidates to replace Joe Torre as the Yankees' manager.

Mattingly is reportedly the leading candidate to take over the job, but the Yankees plan on doing an exhaustive search before hiring anyone. We don't anticipate the new manager will be announced until after the World Series is completed.

milbraves

10-19-2007, 01:23 PM

Rotoworld.com reports:

The New York Daily News lists Don Mattingly, Joe Girardi, Tony La Russa, Trey Hillman, Tony Pena, and Buck Showalter as the top candidates to replace Joe Torre as the Yankees' manager.

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They'll have to interview several minority candidates, the commissioner's office demands that they do so.

JCStone7

10-19-2007, 01:26 PM

Trey Hillman is going to manage the Royals according to SI.com

gobravez

10-19-2007, 06:06 PM

Trey Hillman is going to manage the Royals according to SI.com

I just saw that too

KB21

10-19-2007, 07:07 PM

They'll have to interview several minority candidates, the commissioner's office demands that they do so.

Tony Pena is a minority candidate.

McCarroll21

10-19-2007, 07:34 PM

They'll have to interview several minority candidates, the commissioner's office demands that they do so.
The Mets fans want them to interview Willie Randolph.

broke

10-20-2007, 09:43 AM

I think he had to offer him something. He at least had to make show to try and keep the FA's they want to bring back and keep the Torre fans from an all out riot. This way he can at least say, I made him an offer, he chose to reject it.

If the Torre fans cant read between the lines and see that the contract was a slap in the face then so be it.

Majority of the NY Yankee fans are like George tho.........if they dont win the WS........ its a failed season

Rip4144

10-20-2007, 12:13 PM

Good for Joe Torre. He is an average manager that benefited from a large payroll.

thegame10

10-22-2007, 03:08 AM

Anyone see what George's son fired back at Torre?

"Where was Joe's career in '95 when my dad hired him?" Steinbrenner told The New York Post. "My dad was crucified for hiring him. "Let's not forget what my dad did in giving him that opportunity - and the great team he was handed."

My dad this.....my dad that...

I thought we were almost done with George W. Bush...:mad:

Nic

10-22-2007, 09:53 AM

Anyone see what George's son fired back at Torre?

"Where was Joe's career in '95 when my dad hired him?" Steinbrenner told The New York Post. "My dad was crucified for hiring him. "Let's not forget what my dad did in giving him that opportunity - and the great team he was handed."

My dad this.....my dad that...

His comments about what his dad did for Torre answers the age old question of "do crackheads know they're crackheads?"

BGarrett7

10-22-2007, 11:57 AM

His comments about what his dad did for Torre answers the age old question of "do crackheads know they're crackheads?"But it's entirely true, Torre was a sub-par manager at best when the Yankees hired him. He's nothing more than a product of his system.

MSU Bulldog

10-22-2007, 12:03 PM

But it's entirely true, Torre was a sub-par manager at best when the Yankees hired him. He's nothing more than a product of his system.

Like any Denver Bronco's RB .........

JCStone7

10-22-2007, 12:07 PM

Like any Denver Bronco's RB .........

Are you saying Mike Anderson isn't a damn good running back?

MSU Bulldog

10-22-2007, 12:11 PM

Are you saying Mike Anderson isn't a damn good running back?

or Ron Dayne, Tatum Bell, Clinton Portis, etc. Plug 'n Play!

JayDonnelly10

10-22-2007, 12:12 PM

or Ron Dayne, Tatum Bell, Clinton Portis, etc. Plug 'n Play!

Dont forget Pot-smoking Travis Henry

MSU Bulldog

10-22-2007, 12:18 PM

Dont forget Pot-smoking Travis Henry

Their all so easy to forget!

JCStone7

10-29-2007, 06:31 PM

Yankees offer job to Giradi (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/10/29/girardi.yankees/index.html)

C-Dawg

10-29-2007, 06:42 PM

But it's entirely true, Torre was a sub-par manager at best when the Yankees hired him. He's nothing more than a product of his system.

He had pretty good luck with the Braves in a day when they had absolutely NO pitching. In fact, if you ever listen to Dale Murphy talk, he gives almost entire credit for his development to Joe Torre (as opposed to Bobby Cox who patiently waited through Dale's tough early days and eventually found him a home in CF). Joe must have done something well.

And he certainly didn't benefit from a dearth of overpriced talent in 96.

Chief Knockahoma

10-30-2007, 08:06 AM

supposedly Torre is headed to LA and Mattingly might be joining him...

JCStone7

10-30-2007, 10:44 AM

He had pretty good luck with the Braves in a day when they had absolutely NO pitching. In fact, if you ever listen to Dale Murphy talk, he gives almost entire credit for his development to Joe Torre (as opposed to Bobby Cox who patiently waited through Dale's tough early days and eventually found him a home in CF). Joe must have done something well.

And he certainly didn't benefit from a dearth of overpriced talent in 96.

So in Torre's tenure in Atlanta he helped one player develop while a budding superstar Horner digressed and the Braves won one division title with players Cox brought in. Then Torre went to St. Louis and completely fell on his face. Yeah great manager.

C-Dawg

10-30-2007, 01:53 PM

So in Torre's tenure in Atlanta he helped one player develop while a budding superstar Horner digressed and the Braves won one division title with players Cox brought in. Then Torre went to St. Louis and completely fell on his face. Yeah great manager.

Don't be so sarcastic. I think what i said was that he "must have done something right"....don't recall calling him a "great manager." But he does deserve some credit.

And yes, Dale Murphy ranks, in my mind, as one of the greatest pure human beings to ever walk the face of the earth, and an athlete deserving of HOF consideration...and I mean both sincerely. I trust his word a lot more than some fat, boozing, attitudinally challenged loser who never could get his head on straight and made JD Drew look like the iron man.

And sure Torre only had one divisional crown in Atl, but he had them competitive every year he was here, which--as you should be able to see now from the past two seasons--is saying A LOT for a team with NO pitching!

JCStone7

10-30-2007, 02:01 PM

And sure Torre only had one divisional crown in Atl, but he had them competitive every year he was here, which--as you should be able to see now from the past two seasons--is saying A LOT for a team with NO pitching!

The Braves have been competitive the last 2 seasons. Torre had the benefit of a good team with an unlimited payroll during his time in the Bronx. How many championships would the Yankees won if they had a Sam Perlozzo during the glory years of the late 90's? Probably about the same.

Edit: Murphy was a master of his craft, he would've progressed under any manager.

C-Dawg

10-30-2007, 03:12 PM

The Braves have been competitive the last 2 seasons. Torre had the benefit of a good team with an unlimited payroll during his time in the Bronx. How many championships would the Yankees won if they had a Sam Perlozzo during the glory years of the late 90's? Probably about the same.

Edit: Murphy was a master of his craft, he would've progressed under any manager.

Be that as it may, I am just going by what I have heard Murphy himself say--he gives almost exclusive credit to Torre, and little more than honorable mention to Cox.

As far as the other stuff about the benefit of a having a good team, I do not disagree....in fact, i never made any mention about Torre's time in NY other than 96 when he did not have all the best talent money could buy...may have been a high payroll that year, but it was not like the Yankee teams of recent history.

PS: I do not consider 2006 as a competitive year for the braves, and even if so, they had much more pitching in Smoltz and Huddy alone than those early 80's teams.

JCStone7

10-30-2007, 07:16 PM

Breaking News via ESPN:

Grady Little and Dodgers have parted ways.

nickzilla6066

10-30-2007, 08:48 PM

Breaking News via ESPN:

Grady Little and Dodgers have parted ways.

Does this guy have a "shaft me" sign sewn on his back or something?

HaRdCoReBrAvEsFaN

10-31-2007, 12:53 AM

Rumor is that Grady has been talking about stepping down since the end of the season, and that's the reason The Dodgers began courting Torre

Rick

10-31-2007, 04:01 AM

C-Dawg

10-31-2007, 08:56 AM

Torre may settle your argument about how good a manager he is. If he can take a feuding bunch like the Dodgers to the WS , he may be pretty good .

I wonder if that is partly the reason he is taking this job . Maybe he has heard similar criticism " Hey , anybody could manage a $ 200 million team into the playoffs ."

Now he can prove those critics wrong . On the other hand , he could mar his legacy if he does not do well .

I'm sure he sees LA as a manageable challenge...I mean...the talent is there, the payroll is there, someone just needs to put it all together, and Torre has proven his ability to do that (see 1996). Plus, ESPN says he craves the big city environment.

McCarroll21

10-31-2007, 10:45 AM

I don't think Torre will succeed with the Dodgers. He's a product of a high payroll and not having to do much on the strategical side of things. Managing teams in the NL and AL are world of opposites; ask Torre and Francona how much easier it is to work with AL teams.

NL Win PCT - .471 (1901 games)
AL Win PCT - .605 (1942 games)

I don't see Torre much as an NL kind of guy. I see him more as a guy that says, you give me a team to put on the field and I'll let them bang out 5 runs a game and use my $90 million rotation to get me 95 wins.