Bronson Arroyo...

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Per Rotoworld...

The Braves are reportedly involved in discussions with the Reds regarding Bronson Arroyo.
The Reds are under no pressure at all to move Arroyo, who is signed through 2010 with an option for 2011. The Braves may have the money to take him on -- he big extension doesn't kick in until 2009, so he'll make less than $6 million through the end of 2008 -- but they're starting to run low on minor league talent to pull off another major deal. They'd likely have to include Jo-Jo Reyes, another quality pitching prospect (Tommy Hanson) and one of their top remaining minor league position players.

[Chief Knockahoma]

i just read this and was looking for more info....wow, if we were to pull Teixeira/Mahay, Dotel, and Arroyo....just WOW.

but i don't know how i feel about the rumored pieces to acquire him.

[chicagojoe16]

Arroyo is a terrible pitcher, Kyle Davies can do just as bad a job.

[hotcorner33]

No thanks. Arroyo has been WAAY to inconsistent this year. I'd much rather have Greinke. Way too steep of a price to pay for an erractic and inconsistent starter.

[jdu00743]

Yea, why does Arroyo have that much value?

I'd much rather have Greinke.

[CB1]

I would love this.

You don't think that Cox and JS are doing this because they (might) be leaving after next year, do you? I don't really believe that's why they are doing it, but it would suck if they were.

Otherwise, I love these deals.

[ncthompson11]

hes a talented pitcher, but he must be going through a rough year. A 4.33 ERA and is 4-11 on the year. I know hes better than those numbers and is why I usually dont put much thought into them, but he would be great as our 4th or 5h pitcher and even the 3rd.

[Jsh1284]

I think all Arroyo needs is a change of scenery. He's a solid innings eater too. Exactly what we need to keep the bullpen fresh. If we get Dotel and Bronson, this will definitely be a great freakin' day for Braves Baseball.

[bravescott]

Too hefty a price..

[bravescott]

On XM they briefly mentioned a rumor about Carlos Silva discussions with the Braves. Thoughts?

[Chopaholic]

Yes, this is the deal we need.

Arroyo is a quality pitcher no matter what the 2007 #s say. He plays in a launching pad. We need his innings.

[PhantomsCV]

What happened to the Braves that were NEVER in the headlines of trades or anything?

[Jsh1284]

Liberty Media happened. Apparently, we're seeing the result of an increased payroll. I.E. extra toys (dollar bills) for JS to play with.

[hotcorner33]

Arroyo's 2007 stats:

4-11, 4.33 ERA, 1 CG, 150 hits, 139.1 IP, 98 K's.

Don't blame it on GABP either, he is 2-3 there and 2-8 on the road.

Greinke's Stats:

4-5, 4.33 ERA, 0 CG (he has been used all but 7 times as a reliever), 79 IP, 85 hits, 66 K's

Greinke is more consistent, younger, has better stats, and has better pitches.

I'll pass on Arroyo.

[Chief Knockahoma]

Arroyo's 2007 stats:

4-11, 4.33 ERA, 1 CG, 150 hits, 139.1 IP, 98 K's.

Don't blame it on GABP either, he is 2-3 there and 2-8 on the road.

Greinke's Stats:

4-5, 4.33 ERA, 0 CG (he has been used all but 7 times as a reliever), 79 IP, 85 hits, 66 K's

Greinke is more consistent, younger, has better stats, and has better pitches.

I'll pass on Arroyo.

you're also comparing Arroyo's worst season in the majors...he's been a decent pitcher before this year.

[Enoch]

Arroyo is what he is. He doesn't rely on his fastball, and when his control wavers, he gets hammered. This is a problem for all pitchers with non-dominant stuff that use breaking pitches/location to get things out.

I would prefer to stay away from Arroyo because I think he is overrated. Did he sign an extension with the Reds or is he still under the ultra-cheap Red Sox contract he signed in 06?

[chicagojoe16]

Arroyo's Contract:

Bronson Arroyo p
3 years/$11.25M (2006-08)
2 years/$25M (2009-10), plus 2011 club option

2 years/$25M (2009-10), plus 2011 club option
$2.5M signing bonus (paid 2008)
09:$9.5M, 10:$11M, 11:$11M club option ($2M buyout)
2011 option may increase to $13M based on IP
agreed to give up 2008 performance bonuses as part of deal
signed extension 2/07

3 years/$11.25M (2006-08)
acquired in trade 3/06, with Boston also paying $1.5M to Cincinnati

avoided arbitration 1/06 ($4.2M-$2.95M)
$0.75M signing bonus
06:$2.75M, 07:$3.8M, 08:$3.95M
$0.325M performance bonus with 210 IP in 2008

1 year/$1.85M (2005), re-signed 1/05, avoided arbitration
1 year/$0.3325M (2004)
agent: Gregg Clifton, Terry Bross, Gaylord Sports Management
ML service: 4.150

[TheVarsity]

On XM they briefly mentioned a rumor about Carlos Silva discussions with the Braves. Thoughts?
This is the one SP i have really had my eye on for the braves. I think hed be a great fit. Hes got decent stats this year.
Carlos Silva 2007 stats


And the switch from the AL to NL should give him a pretty big boost. His current division is really tough. He shouldnt cost us too much prospect wise because he is a free agent after this season. And if we resign him great hes still relatively young, but if we dont then we get a draft pick.

[TheVarsity]

Arroyo's 2007 stats:

4-11, 4.33 ERA, 1 CG, 150 hits, 139.1 IP, 98 K's.

Don't blame it on GABP either, he is 2-3 there and 2-8 on the road.

Greinke's Stats:

4-5, 4.33 ERA, 0 CG (he has been used all but 7 times as a reliever), 79 IP, 85 hits, 66 K's

Greinke is more consistent, younger, has better stats, and has better pitches.

I'll pass on Arroyo.
This is why Greinke would have a much higher price tag than Bronson Arroyo. Plus if we were going to get Zack Greinke then we would have in the Dotel deal. We are NOT getting Grienke. Beggars cant be choosers in this starting pitching market.

[JCStone57]

Silva uses his defense and doesn't walk many batters

[lilsnatch07]

This is the one SP i have really had my eye on for the braves. I think hed be a great fit. Hes got decent stats this year.
Carlos Silva 2007 stats


And the switch from the AL to NL should give him a pretty big boost. His current division is really tough. He shouldnt cost us too much prospect wise because he is a free agent after this season. And if we resign him great hes still relatively young, but if we dont then we get a draft pick.


And won't the Silva trade be at a big price too?

[chicagojoe16]

Greinke's dirt cheap! He's not been around enough to make the bucks Arroyo does. I don't know why everyone here is saying it like we could have either. I don't think Greinke's for sale, and if he is, they won't be dumb enough to evaluate him at the same price as Arroyo.

[TheVarsity]

And won't the Silva trade be at a big price too?
No like I said he is only under contract for one more year, while Greinke and Arroyo are under control for a number of years, therefore driving silvas price tag down.

[jdu00743]

I'd only want Arroyo if the price was right, and from the sound of it, it isn't going to be...

[Enoch]

Ugh....the 08 year is a bargain, the 09-11 deals are very very pricey. Yes the SP market is going crazy, but still......11 million for Arroyo? Yikes!

[at65]

Arroyo isn't as good as he was hyped up to be, I don't think he's that great of a pitcher. And if I remember correctly, he may be a bit of a headcase. But I could be wrong on that one.

Carlos Silva seems like a good fit. He was a top prospect of the Phillies, and he's fizzled out in the American League. He's nothing special but he wouldn't be too expensive. He might be able to be had for Scott Thorman and Wilfredo Ledezma.

[Jsh1284]

Arroyo a headcase? No way ... he's not only a pretty decent pitcher but also a great singer/songwriter/guitarist. I think he would fit in with the young guys on our team quite nicely.

Arroyo did struggle early on this season. Recently, he's pitched much better (recall his start against us last week) .. however he has been getting very little run support for most of the season. With our offense, he should give us a chance to win every time he gets the call. Plus he goes deep into games, helping to rest our bullpen at least every 5th day.

If they don't ask for anything more than what was originally mentioned, I'm absolutely for the deal.

[bravescott]

Carlos Silva seems like a good fit. He was a top prospect of the Phillies, and he's fizzled out in the American League. He's nothing special but he wouldn't be too expensive. He might be able to be had for Scott Thorman and Wilfredo Ledezma.

Well how would that help the Twins' cause? They've got Morneau but I suppose if they lose him to free agency at some point then Thorman might be a possibility.. Or DH.. And they've got a pretty stellar bullpen already and it's not like Wilfredo will help it at all.. But I would think they would ask for alot considering the SP market, or lack thereof.

[gobravez]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/Red-Sox-hoping-to-land-Gagne?urn=mlb,40778


"The Braves also were said to be talking to the Cincinnati Reds (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/cin/) (who dealt Kyle Lohse (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6751/) to the Philadelphia Phillies (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/phi/)) about Bronson Arroyo (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6498/), and the Red Sox were shopping outfielder Wily Mo Pena (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6522/). The Seattle Mariners (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/sea/) would like to add a starter and a reliever, but probably will have to settle for the latter. They were hoping to talk the Florida Marlins (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/fla/) into moving Dontrelle Willis (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7133/), but have had no substantive negotiations"


and this is also being reported on www.mlbtraderumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com) now.

[lilsnatch07]

Hey what about us trading our Relievers for a starter/hitter in Seattle?

[Enoch]

Arroyo is not a headcase. He is by all accounts, extremely likable, and very good in the clubhouse. My only reservations about him is the salary, which is about where is value would be on the open market (which is generally more than we can afford). He is an average to slightly above average pitcher (i.e. a no. 3 -4 starter), he is under control until 011 with a buyout option for that year, and he has been pretty good in the NL barring his May and June of this year.

[gobravez]

Hey what about us trading our Relievers for a starter/hitter in Seattle?


LOL, Tyler Yates and Willie Harris for Ichiro and Felix Hernandez

[at65]

Well how would that help the Twins' cause? They've got Morneau but I suppose if they lose him to free agency at some point then Thorman might be a possibility.. Or DH.. And they've got a pretty stellar bullpen already and it's not like Wilfredo will help it at all.. But I would think they would ask for alot considering the SP market, or lack thereof.

They could certainly use a DH or outfielder.

I threw in Ledezma because he is going to be traded. He may or may not be a great fit for them but he is one of our last trade pieces. On top of that, I don't feel that Silva is worth more than Thor and Ledezma, anyways.


Arroyo is not a headcase. He is by all accounts, extremely likable, and very good in the clubhouse. My only reservations about him is the salary, which is about where is value would be on the open market (which is generally more than we can afford). He is an average to slightly above average pitcher (i.e. a no. 3 -4 starter), he is under control until 011 with a buyout option for that year, and he has been pretty good in the NL barring his May and June of this year.

My bad. It must be my own dislike of him talking. I was just never really impressed with him. If we end up getting him, I hope he proves me wrong.

[BravesfaninNC]

I am wondering if the Reds would do Rent for Arroyo?

[TheVarsity]

I am wondering if the Reds would do Rent for Arroyo?
Na I think their pretty happy with Alex Gonzalez. Hes done well for them

[slamster]

if the reds are gonna trade for arroyo, then they are gonna get prospects or proven young arms in return. why would they want a 31 year old shortstop if they are rebuilding?

[matt52500]

Arroyo would be a great pick up if the price is right. This has been a down year for him compared to last year, but he has been solid lately, looking somewhat like he was last year. He was 14-11 with a 3.29 era in 240.2 IP last year. In his last 7 games he's given up 3 ER or less in all but 1 start and 7 of his last 9. He would be a solid addition to the rotation, but only if the price is right. The Reds I'm sure are going to ask a lot seeing how he is signed thru 2011. But if anyone can make this happen, JS can do it. Having someone eat up the innings like he does would in turn mean seeing less of Yates, or so I hope :woot:

[KB 34]

I'm starting to think the Arroyo rumors have no chance of true. I say this because he has one huge contract that's going to pay him $9.5 million in 09, $11 million in 10, and a team option for $11 million in 11. How does JS add this type of contract after he gave up his farm system+the kitchen sink for Teix? No question he's going to do everything possible to keep Teix after giving up so many resources for him. Arroyo would seriously limit his ability to do so unless Liberty is willing to raise the payroll to $110 million or some wonderful number like that. Gagne will probably happen as he's an expiring contract but I don't think Arroyo fits under any potential budgets.

[gobravez]

I hope this is BS. I don't want to give up both Jo-Jo AND Yunel for Arroyo.


http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ml-reds&tid=38901

[KB 34]

They can have Escobar for all I care but I'm liking Reyes.

[Jsh1284]

Now with the Dotel trade completed and the bullpen revamped, it will be interesting to see whether or not JS pursues Arroyo, comes out of the blue with some guy we never even thought of, or just accepts the rotation the way it is.

[jdu00743]

They can have Escobar for all I care but I'm liking Reyes.

Since we traded Andrus, I think Escobar is much more valuable to us than Reyes at the moment...

Not to mention Escobar keeps Woodward's butt on the bench.

[Gibby]

Come on guys, Arroyo may seem inconsistent, but I think with the addition of Texeira the Bravos can easily support his 4.23 era. James and Carlyle are coming around, but if we have the opportunity to trade Arroyo for Reyes or Escobar, I say do it. Reyes' era of 8+, or Arroyo's era of 4.23? Hmm, I'll take Arroyo. As for Escobar, yea, he's incredible. But I'm a little biased toward Renteria. I'd rather cough up the money and keep him around. He's among the best in the majors offensively and defensively. I personally wish we'd get rid of Wickman and put Soriano at closer. I'm not concerned though, Schuerholz knows what he's doin.

[KB 34]

Since we traded Andrus, I think Escobar is much more valuable to us than Reyes at the moment...

Not to mention Escobar keeps Woodward's butt on the bench.
I'm not buying into Escobar being anything more than Mark DeRosa so I have Lilliwhateverhisnameis penciled in as the starter after Renteria leaves. Also, Escobar doesn't keep Woodward on the bench since Escobar's stealing time from KJ at 2B. The only thing that'll keep Woodward on the bench is common sense. For now, Prado replaces Escobar just fine.

[Braves592]

I think if we get Arroyo it would be good. Don't really look at his era because he pitched in the hitters heaven. Great American Ballpark, the leagues leading park for most homeruns hit in. I think it would be good to get him as long as we keep Escobar, I'd rather see Kelly Johnson get traded than Escobar. I would like to have Dotel most.

[BGarrett7]

We would be stupid as hell to not go after Arroyo if we could get him for Reyes and another pitching prospect.

Our offense is already averaging almost five runs per game, almost a run more than what Arroyo is getting right now from the Reds. Not to mention, he has pitched into the seventh in his last seven starts. Something we are getting very little of these days.

[jdu00743]

For now, Prado replaces Escobar just fine.


I could not disagree with you more...Prado is garbage.

[731BravesFan]

Arroyo's good.. but PLEASE don't get rid of Yunel.

[BGarrett7]

Arroyo's good.. but PLEASE don't get rid of Yunel.If there is one position we are absolutely loaded at, it's short. As long as we have either Yuni or Lilli, we're straight. Right now, Escobar has done nothing to prove himself worthy of a role greater than Betemit or DeRosa.

[731BravesFan]

If there is one position we are absolutely loaded at, it's short. As long as we have either Yuni or Lilli, we're straight. Right now, Escobar has done nothing to prove himself worthy of a role greater than Betemit or DeRosa.
You realize that Yunel can play at second and third, right? And how has he not done anything great? Did you by chance watch the game against Arizona where he took 2nd on a walk and scored the tying run? Hell, that's more in one game than Betemit or DeRosa did.