The contents of this thread are VERY hypothetical [Salty]

[McCarroll21]

The news has come out that BJ Ryan is having Tommy John and is out for the year. The Blue Jays are already in last place and they have no one to fill the role as closer -- actually, they don't have a set up man either since League is hurt as well.

On to the hypothetical part....

Let's say the Blue Jays decided to have a fire sale and regroup...

Would you trade Salty and Escobar if it meant getting Halladay in return?

Halladay is set to earn:
'07 - $12.8M, '08 - $10M, '09 - $14.25M, '10 - $15.75M


Yes, this is VERY hypothetical. I'm not looking to start a trade thread here, and the Blue Jays probably won't go into sale mode, but I'm just wondering what value people would put on these two guys.

Yes, no doubt about it.
Yes, but would have to get a prospect in return too.
No, Salty has to stay here.

What do you think?

[Nic]

Yes.

[JCStone7]

I would do this only if I could get the Jays to take some of that salary. Get him around 8-9 million/yr

[jdu00743]

Wow...I really like this idea...Smoltz, Hudson, Halladay, James, and whoever pitches the best out of Lerew/Davies/Cormier for #5...That would be awesome.

I would love for the Blue Jays to take some of his salary though, as someone mentioned earlier.

[BravesfaninNC]

Yes, but would have to get a prospect in return too

[vnodnarb]

I would do it without a doubt, no prospect or salary help needed, getting your hands on Halladay especially in the NL would make us World Series favorites, the only real question is how do we fit him into the budget

[Penguin]

I would do it without a doubt, no prospect or salary help needed, getting your hands on Halladay especially in the NL would make us World Series favorites, the only real question is how do we fit him into the budget

definitelyneed salary help in the long term

[LSU31always]

I would do this only if I could get the Jays to take some of that salary. Get him around 8-9 million/yr
His salary would replace Andruw's Salary likely giving way to Brandon Jones in the OF.

[HaRdCoReBrAvEsFaN]

I don't know...he'll be 30 Monday that's not terribly old, but still prefer someone on the good side of 30 if we trade Salty and the fact he could possibly lingering from the forearm pains that affected him last yr bothers me also....

[LSU31always]

I wouldn't want Halladay I am concern with the way he is pitching.

[dogmanx23]

isnt Escobar suppose to be our future SS when edgar is done. What i wanna see from this team is a everyday starting 8 im gettin annoyed at the platooning especially in 2 positions. Salty can be an everyday player for us and Yunel is part of our future. Saltys what 22, Yunel 24 (i think) i wouldnt give those 2 up for a 30 year old halladay now if he was 26 or something then we'd be talking. + his contract is huge Andruws money (if we dont resign him) should be used to keep the boys we have now together (Franky, James, Salty, Johnson, Thorman, etc.)

[lmartin6]

I'm of the stance of not trading Salty, period. The guy is gonna be an All-Star very soon, at some position.

[McCarroll21]

isnt Escobar suppose to be our future SS when edgar is done.Meet Elvis Andrus.

[LSU31always]

Here is a question to ponder:
Should the Braves move Thorman to Left, McCann to first, and keep Salty at Catcher? Salty is regarded as a better defensive catcher than McCann.

[lmartin6]

Here is a question to ponder:
Should the Braves move Thorman to Left, McCann to first, and keep Salty at Catcher? Salty is regarded as a better defensive catcher than McCann.

I've debated that idea with myself, b/c I absolutely love having Salty's arm behind the dish, but I honestly don't see McCann being athletic enough to play any other position besides catcher, not even first. Also, as good as Salty's arm is, I don't know if he could come close to touching McCann's game calling abilities. I'd love for that scenario to play out, but I believe Salty is much more suited to move spots than McCann

[grafe]

His salary would replace Andruw's Salary likely giving way to Brandon Jones in the OF.
I think Hudson is gonna be seeing a 7 million dollar jump in his salary and Smoltz will be getting a 4 or 5 million dollar raise so we won't be getting a high priced guy in the offseason with Andruw's money

I've debated that idea with myself, b/c I absolutely love having Salty's arm behind the dish, but I honestly don't see McCann being athletic enough to play any other position besides catcher, not even first. Also, as good as Salty's arm is, I don't know if he could come close to touching McCann's game calling abilities. I'd love for that scenario to play out, but I believe Salty is much more suited to move spots than McCann
Another thing is that Salty is 6'4 right now which is pretty tall for a catcher and he could grow another inch or two, I've heard being too big is one reason the Twins will probably move Mauer who is 6'6

[dogmanx23]

Meet Elvis Andrus.

Ok then Yunel is chippers replacement :)

[LSU31always]

Ok then Yunel is chippers replacement :)
Meet Eric Campbell

[dogmanx23]

so what are we going to do with Prado and Yunel is Andrus and Campbell are the future?

[C-Dawg]

but I honestly don't see McCann being athletic enough to play any other position besides catcher, not even first.

Are you basing this on McCann's lack of foot speed...because that's typically how people judge a player as not being athletic. If so, then I would remind you of Andres Galaraga, who certainly did not look athletic, nor did he run fast...but he was quick around the first base bag, and one of the best defensive first basemen ever (except for when we needed him the most in the 1998 playoffs). Perhaps Mac could be similarly effective at first despite being lead-legged running the bases or otherwise giving the appearance of being not athletic.?

[C-Dawg]

so what are we going to do with Prado and Yunel is Andrus and Campbell are the future?

I'm pretty sure that Prado is looked at as a utility type, and Yunel seems to be looked at as trade bait.

[Vuchato]

Hell the fuck yes.

never gonna happen though.

[C-Dawg]

Hell the fuck yes.

never gonna happen though.

Considering what we gave up for Hudson, this seems like it would be overpaying a bit.

[FalconPride]

Checking out the payroll, between signed contracts (without arbitration and renewed contracts), the payroll next year would be hitting $66M with no replacement for Andruw Jones's production. While it's tempting, can't do it. I'm not sure you can trade Salty without getting offense in return (because of what the Braves stand to lose the next few years) and I'm not sure you can deal Salty without addressing starting pitching. It's a catch-22 and I just can't see any reasonable reason to deal Salty under the current payroll, current minor league mix, and other restraints.

Halladay would make this staff as formidable as ever, but you still have to score runs. This year, we would be a World Series favorite. But after this year, it becomes really questionable.

[KB 34]

Would I be willing to trade Salty for the right pitcher? Absolutely but not for a 30 year old pitcher since there aren't many pitchers who are great like Smoltz at age 40. The salary involved is even more reason as to why I oppose trading Salty for anything but a young future ace. I'm of the belief that average hitting can be overcome by great pitching but at the same time the balance must be considered. Essentially trading Salty+any salary flexibility+replacement offense for Andruw for a 30 year old pitcher with a bad contract makes no sense.

[jonsmoltz]

I don't want to trade salty - I think he's a heck of an athlete and if he keeps on proving himself they will find SOMEWHERE for him to play every day. Why trade our youth for another teams old guy, stopgap trades like that which steal guys that have a good chance of being a big (and cheap) part of our team have never made sense to me... Especially when we are managing rather well with the pitching staff we have right now (yes I know a couple of them haven't done well but look at our record, we're doing alright :P)

[JCStone7]

I love Andrus he is only 18, once he learns how to hit and you can say Furcal who? and Campbell will be nasty once he can stay healthy long-term

[McCarroll21]

This is kind of how I expected this to go. Personally, I wouldn't trade Salty for Halladay. If we could put the right package together to get Alexis Rios and a pitching prospect, say Ricky Romero or Jesse Litsch, along with Halladay I'd think about it more.

I was just wondering where you stood on it, and the slight possibility is there that Halladay will be available at the deadline and will likely be the best pitcher available.

[LSU31always]

Am I the only one that wouldn't do the deal because of concerns about Halladay and the way he has been pitching?

[jschafer5]

As much I as I would love to have Halladay on the Braves, I wouldn't want Salty to leave.

[McCarroll21]

Am I the only one that wouldn't do the deal because of concerns about Halladay and the way he has been pitching?
He's had two bad starts. They've been back to back, one against the Rangers in that launching pad and bandbox in Arlington. The other was against the Red Sox.

He was 4-0 with a 2.28 ERA through April. Even in his starts he gets shelled in, he pitched 5 innings. He saves the bullpen even when he's going REALLY bad.

I just don't know how you can be concerned over two bad starts... on being against one of the best offenses in baseball.

[LSU31always]

He's had two bad starts. They've been back to back, one against the Rangers in that launching pad and bandbox in Arlington. The other was against the Red Sox.

He was 4-0 with a 2.28 ERA through April. Even in his starts he gets shelled in, he pitched 5 innings. He saves the bullpen even when he's going REALLY bad.
His arm angle this year is lower than previous years

[cjones1999]

no,keep salty.

[Nic]

My reason for being willing to make a trade to win a title this year:

How many have we won over the past 15? I like this teams chances as it is, but another star pitcher to add to the mix could put us over the top and I want another title.

[cjones1999]

I want another title.
as do all of us....

[LSU31always]

My reason for being willing to make a trade to win a title this year:

How many have we won over the past 15? I like this teams chances as it is, but another star pitcher to add to the mix could put us over the top and I want another title.
And how many times did having 3 aces win during the 10 years we had them?

[BGarrett7]

And how many times did having 3 aces win during the 10 years we had them?One more than we have without them.

[McCarroll21]

And how many times did having 3 aces win during the 10 years we had them?
How many of those aces were able to strike people out? Don't get me wrong, Maddux and Glavine are awesome, but power pitching excels in the playoffs.

[LSU31always]

How many of those aces were able to strike people out? Don't get me wrong, Maddux and Glavine are awesome, but power pitching excels in the playoffs.
1) Halladay's strikeout numbers are nothing to write home about. He had 132 last year.

2) Roy is going on the DL
http://rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB
Roy Halladay is going on the DL (http://www.nyfuturestars.com/roster.php?get=dl) for acute appendicitis and is likely to miss about a month.

It just gets worse and worse. This might be the injury that causes the Jays to move Casey Janssen into the rotation, though the Jays are using the "he's too valuable in the pen" excuse. Perhaps the break will help Halladay's arm, which we're guessing has been giving him some problems. Still, there isn't much of a bright side to this one. The Jays can already pretty much write off the season.

[Jsh1284]

How many times have we even been that close without three aces? I like this hypothetical trade. I doubt this exact scenario will come true, but I do believe JS will go after a quality starter before the trading deadline.

[LSU31always]

How many times have we even been that close without three aces? I like this hypothetical trade. I doubt this exact scenario will come true, but I do believe JS will go after a quality starter before the trading deadline.
91, 92 in the World Series

[McCarroll21]

:D Obviously this exact scenario won't play out, but there is a small chance he'll be available. I figured he was more tempting than any free agents to be, other than maybe Zambrano, that may be on the market.

And LSU, I understand your train of thought about it too. I just don't see it as a concern. Maybe after I find out more about this DL stint I may be forced to change my mind though.

[Freeze]

My answer just became a definite no since sports center just said he'll be out for a while.

EDIT: Someone already mentioned it.

[JCStone7]

I read this on SI.com, thought everyone might like to see it, who the Braves are looking at I don't know, but Toronto has a lot of talent I like, mainly Alex Rios

It's unknown whether Toronto will conduct a fire sale, but the Phillies (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/54), Braves (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/47), Dodgers (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/51) and Orioles (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/33) are among teams that have had scouts at recent Blue Jays (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/46) games.

[Jsh1284]

91, 92 in the World Series

I wouldn't say that. We had Glavine, Smoltz and Avery. Steve was right there in the cy running both years. We could definitely use another sure-thing starting pitcher. I do believe we'll be fine if we DON'T get one though.

[Nasadega]

Halladay might be the only player with Wells that keeps people in the park, if they trade him that would be a suicide... well that's the purpose of a fire sale anyway

[Jsh1284]

I wonder if we're actually looking at AJ Burnett. His ERA is slightly elevated this year, but he's averaged 6 IP so far this year. Also, he's right there at a K per inning. Assuming he stays healthy ... that would be an excellent move.BC always raved about his stuff back when he was a Marlin as well so you know that's a move he would be pleased with.

[JCStone7]

I've always liked Gustavo Chacin, I wonder if he's on the block

[McCarroll21]

http://fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/2795
It's unknown whether Toronto will conduct a fire sale, but the Phillies, Braves, Dodgers and Orioles are among teams that have had scouts at recent Blue Jays games.Thoughts?

[JCStone7]

I hope we could get Alex Rios or Gustavo Chacin

[grafe]

I hope we could get Alex Rios or Gustavo Chacin
I would think those would be the most likely options, Rios is still on his minor league contract right? I know Chacin is and I wouldn't mind getting him although Davies has been pretty good his last couple outings

[McCarroll21]

Why would a major league player be on a minor league contract?

Rios is currently in his first year of arbitration. $2.535M

[grafe]

Why would a major league player be on a minor league contract?

Rios is currently in his first year of arbitration. $2.535M
I meant rookie contract whatever :(

[Rockshu]

A Braves fan on the main baseball site I visit sent me the link to this thread, and I figured I would shed some insight.

For starters, Roy Halladay is untouchable. He is arguably the second best pitcher in baseball. As someone said, he puts the asses in the seats in Toronto. He has taken multiple discounts to keep playing for Toronto. Barry Zito makes 17 or 18M per year. Roy is 10x the pitcher Zito is, and Halladay signed a 3 year extension that only pays him 13M per year. Vincente Padilla makes over 11M per year. Saying Roy has a massive contract is absurd.

Now on to the trade idea. We wouldn't be interested in that at all. While we do need a shortstop for the future, we're fine at catcher. A couple of years ago we drafted Curtis Thigpen, and starting probably next year he'll be in the major leagues. He's certainly not as good as Saltalamaccia, but we're completely fine with him.

To the dude who said he would only do the trade if we added in Alex Rios and one of Jesse Litsch / Ricky Romero, you should probably be locked up somewhere, because you're insane. On the current trade market Alex Rios alone probably has double or triple the value of Salty. He just turned 26, he's a 5-tool player, and he's just starting to tap his potential. He's going to be a perennial .300/30/100 guy with probably 20 SB to go along with it. There were rumours of a Rios for Hamels trade in the offseason, but the Phillies wanted us to add in a little more. That's how high his value is. The fact that you're considering him a toss-in is insulting.

To the guy talking about Roy Halladay being injured, he had his appendix removed yesterday morning. He pitched against the Red Sox the night before, you think maybe he was pitching while injured? That shows a lot of heart, because he knows the team needs him and he wanted to do everything he could to get us out of the losing streak. And for those of you who don't know anatomy very well, once your appendix is removed, you can't have any more issues with it (obviously) so it's not like this is going to be a re-occuring thing.

You guys are really overvaluing Salty. And I mean REALLY. Teams like the Braves, Indians, and Twins are lucky to have all-star catchers, but I'll tell you right now, most teams are quite comfortable with having a defensive specialist behind the plate as opposed to big bat. While most teams would love to have someone in the McCann/Martinez/Mauer mold, they wouldn't give up a ton for them. They'll take their awesome starting pitcher and solid defensive catcher over a crappy pitcher and a silver slugger catcher anyday.

Lets just be theoretical here for a minute and say our GM does open trade talks with the Braves. I can tell you right now, the trade would start (and I mean START) with Kelly Johnson and Chuck James. That would be the conversation starter, and the trade would probably end up with atleast a couple more middle-upper tier pitching prospects coming to the Blue Jays as well.

Look at some recent trades. To get 38 year old Gary Sheffield, the Tigers had to give up 3 TOP prospects to the Yankees. To get 44 year old Randy Johnson, the Diamondbacks had to give up 3 prospects, one of whom was a top prospect and the other two were middle prospects. This Halladay offer is ridiculous.

Finally, if we do have a firesale (which we probably won't), the 2 guys most likely to go would be Troy Glaus and possibly AJ Burnett. You wanna make up offers for them, go ahead, but mentioning Roy Halladay in the same sentence as trade is a no-no, especially with your guys' offers. To the people who mentioned Chacin, you can basically have him. I know our country has given up on him, and I'm sure our front office is basically at the breaking point with this kid.

Oh, almost forgot one thing. To the person who slated your rotation Hudson, Smoltz, Halladay, James, Davies... I don't really know what to say to you. Halladay is much better than Smoltz and Hudson, no way he'd be your #3...

If you have any questions/complaints, you'll have to email me because there's a good chance I'll lose the link to this thread.

[MSU Bulldog]

Now, tell us how you really feel.

[McCarroll21]

Well... so long. Our GM is the best in the business for a reason.

Looking at past trades, you see... Rafael Soriano, one of the most dominant set up men in the business... he cost us Horacio Ramirez. Mike Gonzalez, a closer who hasn't blown a save in years, he cost us Adam LaRoche, plus we got a top prospect in the deal. Tim Hudson ... Ha! Charles Thomas, Juan Cruz and Dan Meyer.

So you see, just because other teams trade top prospects for guys doesn't mean you have to.

If we could put the right package together to get Alexis Rios and a pitching prospect, say Ricky Romero or Jesse Litsch, along with Halladay I'd think about it more.And I will add, Rios is not looked at as a throw in by any means. He's a legitimate 5-tool player. The post that says if we could get him too also includes the word "package."

[vnodnarb]

yeah im not sure the point of coming on here signing up just to make one post, most of it was good accurate info though

[Rockshu]

You just have to understand where I'm coming from. It's friggin' May and teams are already trying to pick away at our players. Roy Halladay is a god in the eyes of Blue Jays fans, and when you see another team cut him down and under value him like that it's frustrating. This would be like a team coming up to you guys in 1999 and offering a couple of prospects for Chipper Jones. Would that impress you? When coming up with a trade idea, put yourself on the other side of the fence before posting. Sure, a catcher and a shortstop would be helpful to Toronto, but at the expense of the face of a franchise?

[McCarroll21]

Well, you see, in 1999 the Braves were winning. This thread is entirely hypothetical. It was more of a way to see how much value the Braves fans have for Salty.

With his recent call up, Salty-mania is in full effect. We're all hoping we find a way to keep him here and get him at bats, but I was wondering what it would take to pry him away ... and figured that Halladay would be the only pitcher worth asking about that has even a slight chance of being available -- and no, he probably won't be but in the event of a fire sale, everyone is available and that was one of the situations in this HYPOTHETICAL scenario.

In Spring Training, Yunel Escobar was treated with the same thought by many. No way we give him up and he should be here getting his at bats.

This wasn't saying Salty+Escobar for Halladay, meaning that's all it would take.

This was would you trade Salty and Escobar in a trade if it meant getting Halladay in return. Just a way to judge what value we have as fans of some of our own.

And by the way, Salty isn't just an offensive catcher.

[Jsh1284]

I'm not trying to start a confrontation, but I have to come out in defense of our aces. It's absolutely absurd to say Halladay is better than Smoltz/Hudson. Smoltz is a hall of famer. Also, Tim is every bit as good as Halladay. In fact, Hudson has a higher win percentage than Halladay. Not to mention his lower career ERA and WHIP. That is all.

[Rockshu]

How many playoff A's teams did Hudson play on? How many playoff Blue Jays teams did Halladay play on? Exactly. When you're on a good team, it's easier to get wins. Roy has been on some pretty shitty teams since joining the Blue Jays in 1999. ONE of those teams was above .500 (last year's), and Roy still managed to be 95-48 coming into the season. Had Roy gotten the win in either of his last 2 starts, he would have become only the third pitcher in major league history to reach 100 wins before reaching 50 losses.

How many Cy Young does Roy Halladay have? 1 (it should be 2 if he hadn't broken his leg on a line drive in 2005, he was far and away the best pitcher in the AL). How many does Tim Hudson have? 0. By the way, check your math again. Doc's career WHIP is 1.23, Hudson's is 1.25.

I'll agree that Smoltz has had a better career than Roy to this point, but right now Roy is a much better pitcher than both of them. Ask anyone who isn't a Blue Jays or Braves fan who they would rather have out of the 3, and probably atleast 98% of them are going to say Roy Halladay.

[DanielW4444]

I think Halladay would be great on the Braves. If the Braves were scouting the game, could they possibly be looking at Wells or Rios as a replacement for Andruw?

[McCarroll21]

Certainly not Wells. He just got his longterm deal. He'll be in Toronto for a while.

[LSU31always]

To the guy talking about Roy Halladay being injured, he had his appendix removed yesterday morning. He pitched against the Red Sox the night before, you think maybe he was pitching while injured? That shows a lot of heart, because he knows the team needs him and he wanted to do everything he could to get us out of the losing streak. And for those of you who don't know anatomy very well, once your appendix is removed, you can't have any more issues with it (obviously) so it's not like this is going to be a re-occuring thing.

I pointed out that his arm angle is lower this year than it has been in the past. He had the same problem with his arm angle in 2001 when the Jays sent him down to Single A. I then wondered if his arm angle was lower because of an injury. A few minutes later I came across on rotoworld that the Jays had placed him on the DL. And I'd rather a pitcher not pitch when hes hurt for fear of further injury.

[C-Dawg]

I don't think I want them to make any moves right now....this team is just going too doggone well. yes there are concerns such as the bottom of the rotation, and perhaps the bench could be a bit stronger. But with Lerew and Davies stepping up a bit lately, and the addition of Harris, both of those concerns have somewhat been stabilized. And overall you couldn't ask for much more than they've given us thus far. There's a certain attitude or chemistry about this team that they're capable of winning any game. I'm afraid that any move may backfire. Bottom line, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[DanielW4444]

Certainly not Wells. He just got his longterm deal. He'll be in Toronto for a while.


Oh, I hadnt heard about that. I guess that eliminates him

[Jsh1284]

Wins .. yes, they are an arbitrary statistic. You do have me on the WHIP. I guess Hudson only has Halladay on ERA, K/9IP, and average innings pitched. Yeah .. Halladay is by far the best pitcher ...

[Jsh1284]

It's also easy to forget that the young Doc Halladay has averaged 100 less innings pitched than the old man, John Smoltz over the last two years (05,06). Halladay is obviously the more reliable arm of the two. Especially considering their ages.

[Rockshu]

He got hit by a linedrive in 2005, how you're using that against him is beyond me. Just prior to being hit he was named the AL starter in the all star game. It was the end of June and the dude had already pitched 141.2 innings and had 5 complete games. The dude is a machine.

[DanielW4444]

He got hit by a linedrive in 2005, how you're using that against him is beyond me. Just prior to being hit he was named the AL starter in the all star game. It was the end of June and the dude had already pitched 141.2 innings and had 5 complete games. The dude is a machine.


141.2 innings that soon? Getting hit by that line drive was probably the best thing that happened to him. At that rate he would have probably threw his arm out at some point

[grafe]

I have to agree with him, while Smoltz is still fantastic and Hudson has been amazing so far this year Halladay is still arguably the second best pitcher in the major leagues behind Santana obviously. It's nothing against Smoltz and Hudson, Smoltz is a top 5 pitcher in the majors and Hudson has been the best so far

[Jsh1284]

I just don't see it. Certainly, Halladay is a very good pitcher and he's one of the best around .. but his career statistics are nearly identical to Tim Hudson's. Baseball-Reference actually has Matt Morris as the most scimilar pitcher to Halladay up to the age of 29. Tim Hudson is 4th. The guy is great but if he was on the Braves' staff and we're in the playoffs, Doc will be starting game three of the Division Series.

[Rockshu]

Doc pitched 266 innings in a season. In 2005 he was on pace for pretty much the same thing. As I said, he's a machine.

[LSU31always]

Doc pitched 266 innings in a season. In 2005 he was on pace for pretty much the same thing. As I said, he's a machine.
But how long will the machine last. That number of innings worries me. And all it takes is a freak injury to get some one started as an injury prone player. Look at Prior his first injury was a freak accident.

[DanielW4444]

actually, that wasnt his first injury if I am correct. Seems like he was injured in 2002 as well

[LSU31always]

actually, that wasnt his first injury if I am correct. Seems like he was injured in 2002 as well
Is the diabled list injuries I got from MP. I do not recall why or when he went to the DL in 2002. I know that he has had 2 freak injuries.

Sep 17,2002 - Activated ... Jul 21,2003 - 15 Day Disabled list - (shoulder soreness) ... May 6,2004 - Transferred to 60 day DL. ... Jun 4,2004 - Activated ... Apr 3,2005 - 15 Day Disabled list - (right elbow inflammation) ... Apr 12,2005 - Activated ... May 28,2005 - 15 Day Disabled list - (right non-displaced fracture of the lateral epicondyl (elbow)) ... Jun 26,2005 - Activated ... Mar 28,2006 - 15 Day Disabled list - (right subscapularis strain) ... May 26,2006 - Transferred to 60 day DL. ... Jun 18,2006 - Activated ... Jul 14,2006 - 15 Day Disabled list - (Injury unknown) ... Jul 21,2006 - Activated ... Aug 12,2006 - 15 Day Disabled list - (Injury unknown) ...

[Rockshu]

I don't think that's Roy's injury history, because he wasn't on the DL at all last season, he made 32 starts and then took September off because we were out of the playoff hunt (but he wasn't DL'd).

Also the innings aren't a huge issue because he RARELY goes over 110 pitches in an outing, and they tend to fall around 100. He pitches to contact which makes his innings very quick. I think last year he had the third lowest pitch count per inning in baseball last year...

[LSU31always]

I don't think that's Roy's injury history, because he wasn't on the DL at all last season, he made 32 starts and then took September off because we were out of the playoff hunt (but he wasn't DL'd).

Also the innings aren't a huge issue because he RARELY goes over 110 pitches in an outing, and they tend to fall around 100. He pitches to contact which makes his innings very quick. I think last year he had the third lowest pitch count per inning in baseball last year...
Thats Mark Prior Injury history

[McCarroll21]

Thats Mark Prior Injury history
LOL! That might be what MP stood for huh? :D And let's not even talk about how your previous post said, "And all it takes is a freak injury to get some one started as an injury prone player. Look at Prior his first injury was a freak accident."

[LSU31always]

LOL! That might be what MP stood for huh? :D And let's not even talk about how your previous post said, "And all it takes is a freak injury to get some one started as an injury prone player. Look at Prior his first injury was a freak accident."
Yep :beer:
He had the collison with Marcus which is the first that I know the cause of. And he was also struck by a line-drive in his pitching elbow off the bat of Brad Hawpe.

[BravesfaninNC]

I just sow this on mlb-trade-rumors.com

May 15 2007

Atl./DET. Trade

ATL. gets Andrew Miller and Craig Monroe

DET. gets Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Oscar Villarreal

http://www.mlb-trade-rumors.com/rumors.htm

[McCarroll21]

That site might even be worse than the much hated mlbtraderumors.com. When you have to knock off a site with your address that everyone already thinks is trash, things aren't looking good.

[LSU31always]

I just sow this on mlb-trade-rumors.com

May 15 2007

Atl./DET. Trade

ATL. gets Andrew Miller and Craig Monroe

DET. gets Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Oscar Villarreal

http://www.mlb-trade-rumors.com/rumors.htm
You can't depend on MLBTR

[McCarroll21]

You can't depend on MLBTR
Heh. For sure, and to make it worse ... that's not even MLBTR... it's MLB-T-R. :D

[LSU31always]

Heh. For sure, and to make it worse ... that's not even MLBTR... it's MLB-T-R. :D
I didn't catch it was a different site until after I read your post

[BravesfaninNC]

Sorry i had no idea that it was a bad site:( to post Braves news from that site