*SHOCKING* Prior out for the year

[Chief Knockahoma]

yup...

[McCarroll21]

I'd still trade for him tomorrow.

[Chief Knockahoma]

CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs announced Wednesday that right-hander Mark Prior will be out for the season after undergoing shoulder surgery on Tuesday.

The Cubs said Dr. James Andrews performed surgery on Prior's right rotator cuff and repaired other injuries to his right shoulder.

The Cubs termed the arthroscopy a success and that Prior began his rehabilitation program in Birmingham, Ala., where he underwent the surgery.

Before the surgery, Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said he wasn't sure if Andrews would have to fix anything in Prior's shoulder, which has been giving the right-hander problems since last season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2849094

[McCarroll21]

And this my friends, is why Dusty Baker doesn't have a managerial job.

Spin it how you want it Joe Morgan, but the fact he's black has nothing to do with not hiring him because he's ruined two of the greatest prospects in the game.

[Chief Knockahoma]

I'd still trade for him tomorrow.

me too.

[JayDonnelly10]

Priors career is over! When and if he comes back prolly mid 2008 or 2009....hes not going to be anything near as special as he once could have been

[GrandMasterB]

It's sad what has happened to him. Back in '03, it looked like he was going to be a Cy Young contender for years to come. Everytime he recovers from one injury, he winds up getting hurt again.

And this my friends, is why Dusty Baker doesn't have a managerial job.

Spin it how you want it Joe Morgan, but the fact he's black has nothing to do with not hiring him because he's ruined two of the greatest prospects in the game.

I'll agree with you on the Prior part, but the previous managers helped with ruining Kerry Wood, particularly Jim Riggleman.

[JayDonnelly10]

<TABLE class=s_playerNewsTable id=Table1 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=487 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=s_playerNewsText>From rotoworld.com

Dr. James Andrews performed a debridement of Mark Prior’s right rotator cuff as well as repair of labral and capsular injuries in his right shoulder during seas-ending surgery Tuesday.

That's all the detail the Cubs provided. If the labrum was torn, Prior is going to have a lot to overcome in his rebab over the next year. He was essentially done for 2007 no matter what the surgery turned up, and what was discovered seems to be significant enough to put his status for the beginning of 2008 in doubt. Perhaps the best-case scenario would have him back at 100 percent in 2009. However, there's a real chance he never returns as an effective major league pitcher.
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I totally agree!

Hes done...when is his contract up with the Cubbies? Im sure they arent going to keep him signed if he cant stay healthy

[GrandMasterB]

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I totally agree!

Hes done...when is his contract up with the Cubbies? Im sure they arent going to keep him signed if he cant stay healthy

Eligible for arbitration in '08, free agent in '09.

[McCarroll21]

They signed him to a one year deal to avoid arbitration this year. Not sure what his service time is, but I guess they could non-tender him for next year if he's not going to get to play. It's pretty much time to cut ties with him if I'm a Cubbie.

[C-Dawg]

And this my friends, is why Dusty Baker doesn't have a managerial job.

Spin it how you want it Joe Morgan, but the fact he's black has nothing to do with not hiring him because he's ruined two of the greatest prospects in the game.

Indubitably! Not to mention that his mismanagement of the pitching staff cost the Cubs and Giants what should have been sure WS victories!

[C-Dawg]

I'd still trade for him tomorrow.

Wow! We agree twice in one thread :D

For any doubters, I have but two words: Chris Carpenter.

[McCarroll21]

What the Cubs should have done is seen that they are going nowhere in the previous years, not had him pitch any at all. Build up his arm strength through rehab and he wouldn't be suffering from these setbacks like he is right now.

This was the kid that had picture perfect mechanics, so you know that a mechanical flaw didn't lead to injuries. It's overuse and piss poor management on his treatment. The Cubs were desperate, kept trying to bring both he and Wood back, and have now lost them both.

[lavell12]

I'd still trade for him tomorrow.

hell no, I would have nothing to do with him Wood, Gagne, Pavano, or Mike Hampton. I don't want pitchers that just keep getting injured. I would have given up on Prior along time ago. He and Wood have cost the Cubs any chance at making the playoffs the last 3 years. I know Smoltz had surgeries but most of them were at the end of the season just to fix little wear and tear. My rule is you get one surgery on your arm and if you need more after that I don't want you.

I knew Hampton wasn't gonna pitch for us this year and if he did it would last about a month.

[MSU Bulldog]

I know Smoltz had surgeries but most of them were at the end of the season just to fix little wear and tear. My rule is you get one surgery on your arm and if you need more after that I don't want you.

Tommy John surgeries are not "to fix a little wear and tear." Smoltz has had three elbow surgeries, if I am not mistaken.



Damn you quote box!

[lavell12]

I knew there was a hole in my argument and I didn't do a good job covering it up.

[MSU Bulldog]

I knew there was a hole in my argument and I didn't do a good job covering it up.

That's your problem, you log on here TO ARGUE.

That is all.

[McCarroll21]

I knew there was a hole in my argument and I didn't do a good job covering it up.
There's also Chris Carpenter. A guy who has had two shoulder surgeries but now one of the best pitchers in the league.

I also agree with MSU about your "arguing." Remember the PM you got about a week ago. Having a discussion and supporting your side is one thing, but you argue everything to it's end. Don't go all Nate on us.

We aren't all going to agree on everything, but try not to turn everything into an "argument."

[MSU Bulldog]

[/URL] Because Mark Prior was on the minor-league disabled list instead of the Cubs' disabled list at the time of the surgery, he will not accrue any major-league service time in 2007. That means he won't be eligible for free agency until after 2009, even if he returns for the entire 2008 season. [URL="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070425cubsprior,1,7812971,print.story?coll=cs-home-headlines"]But the Cubs will have the option of non-tendering Prior instead of paying him another $3.4 million to $3.5 million in '08 (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/c070425cubsprior,1,7812971,print.story?coll=cs-home-headlines), as he likely would get in an arbitration hearing, based on his current $3.575 million salary. Jim Hendry declined to discuss Prior's future in the organization.

[BGarrett7]

And this my friends, is why Dusty Baker doesn't have a managerial job.

Spin it how you want it Joe Morgan, but the fact he's black has nothing to do with not hiring him because he's ruined two of the greatest prospects in the game.Between how he handles his pitchers and comments such as: "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage. Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

It's very easy to see why this man should never get a managerial job ever again.

Well, unless you are the aforementioned Joe Morgan. :cool:

[McCarroll21]

Yeah, I liked his quotes on-base percentages.

Not only do his teams suck, he sucks so bad that he makes them suck for the new manager, too.

[Science Fiction Twin]

My main issue with "the arguing" is that it's just silly banter devoid any contributions or merit. If you've got an opinion, I'm cool with that. I'm all for expressing opinions but the operative word is "sharing" when it comes to opinions. Refrain from trying to crudely beat someone else over the head with your point of view.

If you've got somethin' to say, if you've got a point to make, I'm welcoming it with open arms. Just make it worth my time to read what you have to say. If you want to take a stab at educating me or even embarrassing me (it happens :) ) then I recommend backin' up what you have to say with some kind of source material. Give me something to neutrally factual to consider.

So, for example, if you're gonna make claims that Dusty Baker overused Woods and Prior and that led to their injuries, then tell me something like the pitch counts that they had in late 2003. See below:

MARK PRIOR
DATE OPP IP H R ER HR BB SO GB FB PIT
Sep. 1 STL 8.0 5 0 0 0 3 8 6 10 131
Sep. 6 @MIL 7.0 10 3 3 1 1 7 9 8 129
Sep. 11 @WAS 5.2 10 3 3 0 3 8 6 6 110
Sep. 16 NYM 9.2 8 2 2 1 1 13 7 8 124
Sep. 21 @PIT 8.2 6 1 1 0 2 14 6 5 131
Sep. 27 PIT 7.2 7 2 2 1 2 10 10 6 133
Oct. 3 ATL 9.0 2 1 1 0 4 7 11 8 133
Oct. 8 FLA 7.0 8 3 2 2 2 5 9 7 116
Oct. 14 FLA 7.1 6 5 3 0 3 6 5 11 119

KERRY WOOD


DATE OPP IP H R ER HR BB SO GB FB PITSep. 2 STL 7.0 4 2 1 1 2 9 6 7 120Sep. 7 @MIL 7.0 8 2 2 1 2 6 7 11 122Sep. 12 CIN 6.0 5 1 1 0 4 9 5 8 114Sep. 17 NYM 9.0 4 0 0 0 1 11 7 6 125Sep. 23 @CIN 7.0 1 0 0 0 4 12 10 1 122Sep. 30 @ATL 7.1 2 2 2 1 5 11 5 6 124Oct. 5 @ATL 8.0 5 1 1 0 2 7 10 4 117Oct. 10 @FLA 7.2 7 3 3 0 3 7 10 5 109Oct. 15 FLA 6.2 7 7 7 1 4 6 4 3 112
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I'm not anyone's daddy and it truly is not my place to say any of this to anyone. This all is sorta aimed at Drew and in truth, I kinda like the guy. I think he absorbs a lot of information posted on these boards, is an active member and every now and again, has something really cool to say. All the same, I'll offer this advice to him, and numerous others: If you want someone else give your post some respect I am recommending that you do some homework to support your claims. Put some thought into it and be ready to back it up. You should have something original to contribute and try to show respect to other members of this community. Do these things and you're heading in the right direction.
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[lmartin6]

Between how he handles his pitchers and comments such as: "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage. Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

It's very easy to see why this man should never get a managerial job ever again.

Well, unless you are the aforementioned Joe Morgan. :cool:

I guess he just HATE having Barry Bonds on virtually every trip he made to the plate then. You've got to be one serious dumb ass to consider being on base and not scoring "clogging up the bases." Once you get on base, it's up to the rest of the crew to drive you in, but they can't do that if you aren't on base. Damn...I couldn't stand Dusty to begin with, now it's even worse.

[MSU Bulldog]

Really good article, for those interested, about Prior's injury diagnoses, work load, and ESPN's own Dusty Baker. Also Baseball Prospectus, Pitcher Abuse Points (PAP). Article is from Friday. Interesting read none the less.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2851466&sportCat=mlb

Also mentions Marcus Giles collision with Prior in 2003.