The Trade Idea Thread

[lavell12]

***PLEASE PUT ALL OF YOUR TRADE IDEAS HERE, QUIT STARTING THREAD AFTER THREAD AFTER THREAD***

thank you.

-Chief

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And keep them somewhat realistic while doing it.

Thank you.

-- McCarroll21

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Yanks get: Tim Hudson/Edgar Renteria/Ryan Langerhans
Braves get: Alex Rodriguez*


*yankees pay 7million per year
rangers already paying 5million per yer

Braves pay A-Rod 15million per year
Tim Hudson (-6million)
Edgar Renteria (-9million)
Ryan Langerhans (400k)

so the Braves for 2007 actually make a 400k profit

[Jsh1284]

It's bedtime so I'll make this short...

I'd rather have Renteria than A-Hole.

:)

[Gary]

I'll take the A-hole.

[McCarroll21]

I won't take long to analyze this, but why would the Yankees want to take on Renteria when they saw how poorly he played in Boston. It's pretty much been proven he's an NL player, why would the Yankees take him in exchange for A-Rod?

[hotcorner33]

I won't take long to analyze this, but why would the Yankees want to take on Renteria when they saw how poorly he played in Boston. It's pretty much been proven he's an NL player, why would the Yankees take him in exchange for A-Rod?

QFE! Great point. Plus, they've already got Jeter and Cano, and I don't think either of them could play 3rd, so where would they our Edgar, who cannot play 3rd base?

[McCarroll21]

Another good point. He doesn't hit enough for enough power to play 3B, and I don't know if his instincts are great enough to play there defensively. He's more of the smooth shortstop, not the quick reaction type that Furcal was.

[Nic]

This guy is going to earn himself another assanine trade idea thread if he keeps this up :rolleyes:

[lavell12]

If our salary problems force the Braves to trade Andruw Jones, here is a possible trade that could make our lineup even better.

Braves Get:
Mark Teixeira (9.4 million)
Michael Young (3.5 million)


Rangers Get:
Andruw Jones (13.5 million)
Marcus Giles (around 5million, arby eligible)

This deal would net the Braves around 5million to sign a decent starting pitcher.

Teixeira would move to left field and Young to second base.

[vnodnarb]

can Tex play left? and can Young leadoff?

[lavell12]

can Tex play left? and can Young leadoff?
Tex started out with the Rangers as an outfielder and moved to first 2 years ago and young leadoff for his first few season and hit pretty well.

[vnodnarb]

okay, and who plays centerfield?

[Vuchato]

I assume Langer/Jeff or maybe Kelly or Diaz if Langer sucks at hitting and noone else has a strong enough arm to play RF over Jeff

[hotcorner33]

How about:

BRAVES GET
Scott Linebrink (1.36 mil)
Mike Cameron (7.33 mil)
Josh Barfield (327 k)

PADRES GET
Andruw Jones (13.5 mil)
Marcus Giles (3.85 mil)
Kyle Davies (333 k)

[McCarroll21]

Please, no. Go back to bed hotcorner.

[vnodnarb]

How about:

BRAVES GET
Scott Linebrink (1.36 mil)
Mike Cameron (7.33 mil)
Josh Barfield (327 k)

PADRES GET
Andruw Jones (13.5 mil)
Marcus Giles (3.85 mil)
Kyle Davies (333 k)

no thanks

[Adam's Army]

haha.... no

[lavell12]

How about:

BRAVES GET
Scott Linebrink (1.36 mil)
Mike Cameron (7.33 mil)
Josh Barfield (327 k)

PADRES GET
Andruw Jones (13.5 mil)
Marcus Giles (3.85 mil)
Kyle Davies (333 k)

I wouldn't take Barfield, Linebrink, and Cameron for AJ straight up.

[Chief Knockahoma]

I wouldn't take Barfield, Linebrink, and Cameron for AJ straight up.

agreed!

[oyhstah crachah]

***PLEASE PUT ALL OF YOUR TRADE IDEAS HERE, QUIT STARTING THREAD AFTER THREAD AFTER THREAD***

thank you.

-Chief


Petition to rename as "The Asinine Trade Idea Thread"

[Chief Knockahoma]

Petition to rename as "The Asinine Trade Idea Thread"

done and done.

[oyhstah crachah]

great. It really seems to fit well.

[hotcorner33]

Why not?

[McCarroll21]

Sweet! I would have put the over/under for having to make this thread at least in November when the season is over and we can actually make moves. How cool is it that we're ahead of the curve?

Why not?
Why not for what? Your trade?

[hotcorner33]

Sweet! I would have put the over/under for having to make this thread at least in November when the season is over and we can actually make moves. How cool is it that we're ahead of the curve?


Why not for what? Your trade?

Yep.

[Chief Knockahoma]

Sweet! I would have put the over/under for having to make this thread at least in November when the season is over and we can actually make moves. How cool is it that we're ahead of the curve?


well....when there are problems that need to be addressed, i can see this thread being created to throw ideas around.

not to mention, we're passionate about our Atlanta Braves.

[McCarroll21]

Yep.
Do you really want it analyzed? It's basically trading each straight up.

Andruw is an MVP candidate. You don't trade them for Mike Cameron and a few others, especially when you're throwing in other players. Andruw and Giles are the two best players in that trade. Why would you even think about that?

How do we fall from Andruw for Lester, Crisp and Hansen to this? Oh, nevermind ... hotcorner is an idiot. :)

[hotcorner33]

Do you really want it analyzed? It's basically trading each straight up.

Andruw is an MVP candidate. You don't trade them for Mike Cameron and a few others, especially when you're throwing in other players. Andruw and Giles are the two best players in that trade. Why would you even think about that?

How do we fall from Andruw for Lester, Crisp and Hansen to this? Oh, nevermind ... hotcorner is an idiot. :)

Thats what they tell me. Im sorry but I would rather have Mike Cameron than Strikeout/Double Play Jones.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/_photos/2005-10-09-andruw-jones-ins.jpg

Looks like somebody struck out again.

[Jsh1284]

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/_photos/2005-06-26-inside-andruw.jpg

Looks like somebody who's on pace to hit almost 700 home runs if he plays ten more years.

[hotcorner33]

RANGERS GET
Marcus Giles (3.85 mil)
Tim Hudson (6.5 mil)
Lance Cormier (345 k)

BRAVES GET
Michael Young (3.06 mil)
Kevin Millwood (7.87 mil)
John Wasdin (975 k)

How bout that?

[hotcorner33]

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/_photos/2005-06-26-inside-andruw.jpg

Looks like somebody who's on pace to hit almost 700 home runs if he plays ten more years.


1. It is doubtful whether or not he will play ten more years.

2. It is doubtful that we will continue on the pace that he is on now.

[McCarroll21]

Thats what they tell me. Im sorry but I would rather have Mike Cameron than Strikeout/Double Play Jones.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/_photos/2005-10-09-andruw-jones-ins.jpg

Looks like somebody struck out again.Really? You want Cameron over Andruw because of K rates?I suggest you do some research.Let's look at some 2006 season numbers.

<table border="1" width="300"><tbody><tr><td align="center">Stat</td> <td align="center">Cameron</td> <td align="center">Jones</td></tr><tr> <td>AVG</td> <td align="center">0.268</td> <td align="center">0.262</td></tr><tr> <td>OBP</td> <td align="center">0.355</td> <td align="center">0.363</td></tr><tr> <td>SLG</td> <td align="center">0.482</td> <td align="center">0.531</td></tr><tr> <td>OPS</td> <td align="center">0.837</td> <td align="center">0.894</td></tr><tr> <td>AB</td> <td align="center">552</td> <td align="center">565</td></tr><tr> <td>H</td> <td align="center">148</td> <td align="center">148</td></tr><tr> <td>2B</td> <td align="center">34</td> <td align="center">29</td></tr><tr> <td>HR</td> <td align="center">22</td> <td align="center">41</td></tr><tr> <td>RBI</td> <td align="center">83</td> <td align="center">129</td></tr><tr> <td>BB</td> <td align="center">71</td> <td align="center">82</td></tr><tr> <td>K</td> <td align="center">142</td> <td align="center">127</td></tr><tr> <td>BB/SO</td> <td align="center">0.5</td> <td align="center">0.65</td></tr><tr> <td>DP</td> <td align="center">8</td> <td align="center">13</td></tr> </tbody></table>

So uh, If having Andruw Jones means a better defensive CF, a better run producer, a guy who strikes out LESS, despite having 5 more double plays a year ... I think I'll take it. You can't say you'd rather have Mike Cameron because someone else Ks a lot, Adam Dunn is just about the only guy who fits that mold.

[Chief Knockahoma]

Really? You want Cameron over Andruw because of K rates?I suggest you do some research.Let's look at some 2006 season numbers.

<table border="1" width="300"><tbody><tr><td align="center">Stat</td> <td align="center">Cameron</td> <td align="center">Jones</td></tr><tr> <td>AVG</td> <td align="center">0.268</td> <td align="center">0.262</td></tr><tr> <td>OBP</td> <td align="center">0.355</td> <td align="center">0.363</td></tr><tr> <td>SLG</td> <td align="center">0.482</td> <td align="center">0.531</td></tr><tr> <td>OPS</td> <td align="center">0.837</td> <td align="center">0.894</td></tr><tr> <td>AB</td> <td align="center">552</td> <td align="center">565</td></tr><tr> <td>H</td> <td align="center">148</td> <td align="center">148</td></tr><tr> <td>2B</td> <td align="center">34</td> <td align="center">29</td></tr><tr> <td>HR</td> <td align="center">22</td> <td align="center">41</td></tr><tr> <td>RBI</td> <td align="center">83</td> <td align="center">129</td></tr><tr> <td>BB</td> <td align="center">71</td> <td align="center">82</td></tr><tr> <td>K</td> <td align="center">142</td> <td align="center">127</td></tr><tr> <td>BB/SO</td> <td align="center">0.5</td> <td align="center">0.65</td></tr><tr> <td>DP</td> <td align="center">8</td> <td align="center">13</td></tr> </tbody></table>

So uh, If having Andruw Jones means a better defensive CF, a better run producer, a guy who strikes out LESS, despite having 5 more double plays a year ... I think I'll take it. You can't say you'd rather have Mike Cameron because someone else Ks a lot, Adam Dunn is just about the only guy who fits that mold.

damn you.....beat me to it.

i was just about to unload a boat-load of stats.

[McCarroll21]

RANGERS GET
Marcus Giles (3.85 mil)
Tim Hudson (6.5 mil)
Lance Cormier (345 k)

BRAVES GET
Michael Young (3.06 mil)
Kevin Millwood (7.87 mil)
John Wasdin (975 k)

How bout that?Oh brother. Stop with your stupidity. Is Giles going to play SS for the Rangers? Why would they trade Hudson for Millwood? Millwood had a good year for them. I don't think they would trade their dependable starter for a guy they won't know what to expect. I won't talk about Cormier and Wasdin because, frankly, at this point, it doesn't matter.

[Jsh1284]

Actually, even if he only plays eight more years and matches his seasonal average of 34 home runs per year, he'll end his career with 614 homers. Not too shabby nor out of the question.

[McCarroll21]

damn you.....beat me to it.

i was just about to unload a boat-load of stats.
Feel free to add to it. :)

[Chief Knockahoma]

Feel free to add to it. :)

you covered it.

ass.

[McCarroll21]

you covered it.

ass.
As long as the job got done.

hotcorner, I urge you to check out this thread (http://www.braves-nation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15). You can make whatever trades you want there and no one will complain with you. However you want to rebuild this team ... it's yours.

[vnodnarb]

Really? You want Cameron over Andruw because of K rates?I suggest you do some research.Let's look at some 2006 season numbers.

<TABLE width=300 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle>Stat</TD><TD align=middle>Cameron</TD><TD align=middle>Jones</TD></TR><TR><TD>AVG</TD><TD align=middle>0.268</TD><TD align=middle>0.262</TD></TR><TR><TD>OBP</TD><TD align=middle>0.355</TD><TD align=middle>0.363</TD></TR><TR><TD>SLG</TD><TD align=middle>0.482</TD><TD align=middle>0.531</TD></TR><TR><TD>OPS</TD><TD align=middle>0.837</TD><TD align=middle>0.894</TD></TR><TR><TD>AB</TD><TD align=middle>552</TD><TD align=middle>565</TD></TR><TR><TD>H</TD><TD align=middle>148</TD><TD align=middle>148</TD></TR><TR><TD>2B</TD><TD align=middle>34</TD><TD align=middle>29</TD></TR><TR><TD>HR</TD><TD align=middle>22</TD><TD align=middle>41</TD></TR><TR><TD>RBI</TD><TD align=middle>83</TD><TD align=middle>129</TD></TR><TR><TD>BB</TD><TD align=middle>71</TD><TD align=middle>82</TD></TR><TR><TD>K</TD><TD align=middle>142</TD><TD align=middle>127</TD></TR><TR><TD>BB/SO</TD><TD align=middle>0.5</TD><TD align=middle>0.65</TD></TR><TR><TD>DP</TD><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=middle>13</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

So uh, If having Andruw Jones means a better defensive CF, a better run producer, a guy who strikes out LESS, despite having 5 more double plays a year ... I think I'll take it. You can't say you'd rather have Mike Cameron because someone else Ks a lot, Adam Dunn is just about the only guy who fits that mold.

OWNED

[oyhstah crachah]

pwnd

[FalconPride]

RANGERS GET
Marcus Giles (3.85 mil)
Tim Hudson (6.5 mil)
Lance Cormier (345 k)

BRAVES GET
Michael Young (3.06 mil)
Kevin Millwood (7.87 mil)
John Wasdin (975 k)

How bout that?
Do you ever think about what the other team needs? That's part of the equation, too. It's not like (insert popular baseball video game name) where you can just deal and deal with no worry that the team you're trading with just acquired their 18th 1B. You actually have to work around the needs of another team.

As for Cameron/Andruw, that's just nonsense. Cameron's not even in the same league as Andruw. Wanting Cameron is like wanting Ron Gant or Jose Cruz and nobody really WANTS that. Now, I hate putting up last year's stats because of all the strange little factors that go into just one year. The last three years is a more accurate comparison between major league veterans with ten-plus years.
Andruw - .262/.352/.532, 87 2B, 121 HR, 348 RBI, 217 BB, 386 SO (468 games)
Cammy - .256/.339/.480, 87 2B, 64 HR, 198 RBI, 157 BB, 370 SO (357 games)

Hell, Andruw at least stays in the lineup, too. So what if he grounds into a few more double plays. Now, I think Andruw should be traded for pitching because he's not going to be resigned, but jeez, that truly lived up to "asinine" for this thread.

[BGarrett7]

This could be the worst thread in the history of the internet.

[McCarroll21]

This could be the worst thread in the history of the internet.
I agree, but it's better to have 1 thread this bad than have 8 or 9 different trade threads running around that are equally as bad.

[RedneckParamedic]

how bout we trade hudson for kerry wood?

[McCarroll21]

how bout we trade hudson for kerry wood?
Don't know if you're trying to be funny or not, but that sounds pretty reasonable so I'll discuss it.

Kerry is probably going to be a FA. The Cubs have a $13.5M team option on him for 2007 that is pretty much guarenteed to be declined. Why not trade Hudson and Salty elsewhere (New York for A-Rod) and then sign Wood to an incentive laden deal? We could try him as a starter and if that doesn't work use him as a setup man. Then we'd also have Edgar that we could trade for other pieces.

Sorry, kind of ran a few thoughts together but trading for Wood isn't an option because it would mean we'd have to pick up his $13.5M option. I don't think he would be a bad guy to have if we can get him for cheap and ease him back into pitching.

[Adam's Army]

i dont think thats a good idea. i have faith in Hudson. whats more, Wood hasnt exactly been anything special the last few years, and hes proven to be an injury liability. Also the idea of getting A-Rod is just ridiculous, way too much money and I am not so sure that we need him.

[McCarroll21]

A-Rod is only due 16M. Hudson is due 6.5 and Renteria is due 6.3. Hudson increases to 13M next season. Over time, we'll save money if we make the necessary moves to acquire A-Rod

[hotcorner33]

A-Rod is only due 16M. Hudson is due 6.5 and Renteria is due 6.3. Hudson increases to 13M next season. Over time, we'll save money if we make the necessary moves to acquire A-Rod


But, why would we want to deal with his streaky play?

[McCarroll21]

But, why would we want to deal with his streaky play?
Because a down year for him his .290 AVG, 35 HR, 121 RBI. He's not any more streaky than Edgar is. I don't understand how A-Rod is considered streaky ... he's been putting up numbers that are relatively close for 11 years now. He would be hands down the best SS in the NL, and would allow us to move Edgar elsewhere to get some more pitching and/or a leadoff man.

[RedneckParamedic]

arod ain't going anywhere

[vnodnarb]

why would we want Arod? ill prolly get flamed for this but Arod is better than AJ

[Vuchato]

totally. time for some fun:

Marcus Giles
Wille Ayber
Martin Prado

for

Joe Mauer

[McCarroll21]

why would we want Arod? ill prolly get flamed for this but Arod is better than AJ
Where in Huddy/Salty for A-Rod says Andruw? And if you're talking about re-signing him, Hudson is due 13M next season. We'll use that to go towards re-signing Andruw after next year.

totally. time for some fun:

Marcus Giles
Wille Ayber
Martin Prado

for

Joe MauerMauer or McCann at 2B? Either way, go for it man. :D

[vnodnarb]

Where in Huddy/Salty for A-Rod says Andruw? And if you're talking about re-signing him, Hudson is due 13M next season. We'll use that to go towards re-signing Andruw after next year.

Mauer or McCann at 2B? Either way, go for it man. :D


No, I wasn't saying we had to give up AJ, i was simply trying to show how good ARod is for those that give him no credit.

[McCarroll21]

No, I wasn't saying we had to give up AJ, i was simply trying to show how good ARod is for those that give him no credit.
Apologies. I read that quick and read it as "is A-Rod better than AJ?" Okay, we're on the same boat. I would take A-Rod over AJ, but in that situation we could have them both.

[Vuchato]

Diaz/Johnson
Giles
Jones
Rodriguez
Jones
LaRoche
McCann
Francoeur

deal Edgar for a good starter... who cares who we have in the rotation, we can just outscore everyone, the new Yankees!

[McCarroll21]

If we had that lineup we could have 5 starters with a 4.50 ERA all above 10 wins and some with 15+ if our bullpen is anywhere close to good.

[vnodnarb]

we would bludgeon our way to the playoffs

[Adam's Army]

we would bludgeon our way to the playoffs
i would love to see that

[Jsh1284]

Sweet idea. Cashman says A-Rod will stay, but everyone and their great great great grandmother knows that the Yanks will be shopping him ... and probably are in the process of doing so now.

I'm sure the idea of moving back to shortstop would help our chances since he has that no trade clause ... plus he almost signed here in 99'.

I wont speculate ... I think I'll just keep my fingers crossed.

BTW: JS ... my birthday is in a little less than two months. Read this thread and GET R DUN!! ... by Dec 11th.

[FalconPride]

Of course, such trades won't get the Braves closer to winning IN the playoffs, but yeah, go for it.

[Adam's Army]

JS doesnt actually read these things does he. If he does then I would like to ask him a question. Mr. Schuerholz, can I please get be your intern next summer, thanks.
glynnious@yahoo.com

[Jsh1284]

Who knows? I'd like to think he cares about the fan's perspective.

[Vuchato]

I wouldn't doubt that he (or someone who would relay the information to him) reads the mlb.com boards, nad the scout boards. maybe braves.net also, but I'd be kinda surprised if he visited these boards because they're young, not well known, and a small community.

[Maddog84555]

zito....why not trade for zito?

[Vuchato]

cuz he's a free agent.

here's one:

Matt Diaz

for

Dave Bush

or

minor leaguer

for

Rodrigo Lopez

or

Phil Stockman or other reliever

for

Claudio Vargas

or sign Jeff Weaver

[lavell12]

Before I thought about trading huddy and thought it wasn't the best idea. Before I was just considering next season where he is making just 6M but in 2008 and 2009 we would have to pay him 12M and I really think he isn't worth that much not to mention that salary also hurts are chances of signing Andruw past 2007. I think we could fill some serious holes if we could package him with Giles, we could get a leadoff hitter and a really good reliever or 2 and save some money to sign Glavine and another starter.

trade: Hudson and Giles to the Orioles for Brian Roberts and Chris Ray.

sign: Tom Glavine 2 years 17mill
Jeff Suppan 3years 21mill


that would make the braves pitching staff look like

sp smoltz
sp glavine
sp james
sp suppan
sp hampton

closer wickman
setup ray
7th devine
lefty mcbride
rhrp boyer
rhrp villarreall
rhrp cormier

[Adam's Army]

I would like to see us keep Hudson for years to come. However, if we could pull off a good deal that will better the team then there no reason why not to. But I dont think Hudson is going anywhere but Atlanta next year.

[Vuchato]

Orioles would never do it,

[FalconPride]

Orioles would never do it,
Yeah...it's amazing what some people think up, but never bring up what the other side is thinking.

[vnodnarb]

orioles would never do that and ray is gone

[FalconPride]

He was talking about Chris Ray...

[lavell12]

This isn't a major deal but would really help the braves out.

Braves get: Kiko Calero and Justin Duchscherer

A's get: Marcus Giles and Horacio Ramirez



Oakland has been wanting Giles for a while, before the trade for Hudson and with Zito leaving Oakland Horacio can fill their rotation.

Duchschere could be our setup man we need and Calero adds another quality arm to our rotation. Plus this deal would save us around 6million.

[McCarroll21]

You just don't believe in the Asinine Trade thread do you?

*Moved*

How does Calero add an arm to the rotation though? He last started in 2003.

[FalconPride]

This isn't a major deal but would really help the braves out.

Braves get: Kiko Calero and Justin Duchscherer

A's get: Marcus Giles and Horacio Ramirez



Oakland has been wanting Giles for a while, before the trade for Hudson and with Zito leaving Oakland Horacio can fill their rotation.

Duchschere could be our setup man we need and Calero adds another quality arm to our rotation. Plus this deal would save us around 6million.
Oakland doesn't want Giles. They have Mark Ellis. They wanted Giles two years ago because he was coming off a good year and would have been cheap for his production. Now? He's an overpaid shell of what he once was.

[vnodnarb]

Oakland doesn't want Giles. They have Mark Ellis. They wanted Giles two years ago because he was coming off a good year and would have been cheap for his production. Now? He's an overpaid shell of what he once was.

i'm with you, i brought this same point up about a month ago, i'd be shocked if oakland still wanted giles

[lavell12]

You just don't believe in the Asinine Trade thread do you?

*Moved*

How does Calero add an arm to the rotation though? He last started in 2003.

my bad i meant the bullpen

[lavell12]

how bout this one: AJ and Huddy for Monroe, Bonderman, and Zumaya

[McCarroll21]

Braves Trade:
Andruw Jones

Angels Trade:
Ervin Santana
Scot Shields/Nick Adenhart
Chone Figgins/Howie Kendrick/Brandon Wood

That's what I would want in return for Andruw. There's no reason to trade Hudson and watch him revert to Cy Young form somewhere else, give him another year to see what happens.

That trade gives us young pitching, a solid reliever or another good young arm, and a solid infielder that can fill the leadoff role, though Wood is projected as more of a middle of the order type guy. Acquiring Wood will also open up a possible trade of Edgar since Wood is a SS by trade.

[hotcorner33]

Braves Trade:
Andruw Jones

Angels Trade:
Ervin Santana
Scot Shields/Nick Adenhart
Chone Figgins/Howie Kendrick/Brandon Wood


I would take that trade any day. I wouldn't think they would be willing to give up Chone Figgins though. Scot Sheilds might be another one they might not like to give up. He's a very solid set-up/middle relief pitcher. He might be the key to getting the bullpen under control.

[lavell12]

Make the move with the Angels look like this: AJ and Salty for Figgans/Weaver/Shields.

Because we need a power arm like Weaver and the Angels would need a top prospect to go along with AJ.

I would use Figgans as the leadoff hitter and starting 2B and sign a center fielder. Diaz is fine in left.

[McCarroll21]

No way a team gives us 6 guys for a soon to be free agent
No way was it meant to be 6 players. One on each line.

[Chief Knockahoma]

No way was it meant to be 6 players. One on each line.

much like a "Choose-Your-Own-Adventure" book...

Andruw Jones for One (1) Player from A, B, and C

Braves Trade:
Andruw Jones

Angels Trade:
A. Ervin Santana
B. Scot Shields/Nick Adenhart
C. Chone Figgins/Howie Kendrick/Brandon Wood

[lavell12]

Either one of those moves whould free up some serious cash to sign another quality outfielder and for bullpen help.

[Vuchato]

There was a trade like that that I thought of a few months ago, wondering if we could get Shields, Adenhart/Saunders/Santana, and Kendrick for Druw.

[nickzilla6066]

Trading Andruw to the Angels for Santana and some assortment of complementary players (Figgins, Shields, Wood etc.) is the best possibility that I have heard, assuming that you can keep them for some time (I think all Braves fans are sick of these stupid rental deals). This would free up enough money to pursue a replacement impact outfielder and would further add to the Braves 2007 rotation depth, meaning even more trade bait to dangle in hopes of filling the few holes that the Braves have in the field; pretty much just left field and center should Andruw be traded.

I also understand that some people want JS to do everything and anything to keep Andruw Jones in Atlanta but this is just foolishness. After next season, assuming he doesn't have a horrifying injury or have an apocalyptic backslide, AJ WILL be looking at upwards of 15 million a year and will NOT be taking a vast hometown discount this time. Some estimates are that AJ could be looking at twenty million or more a season. Personally, I think that NOBODY is worth more than 10 million, period, anything more than this is paying for packaging and excesses that will surely cost your team somewhere else. The Braves need to use this, their most valuable trade chip because they will not be bringing him back after next season without crippling the team for years into the future. I say trade him, use the money to strengthen the team for next year and sign our young core (AKA the future) to long term contract extensions.

Remember, offense is relatively cheap. Reliable position players who have decent power and high averages are not a rarity, and are quite often fairly economical (i.e. less than a payroll crippling 10 million +). While the 40 homerun a year hitters are nice to have, if forced between having to choose between a lineup that featured two or three big boppers (the realistic long term scenario unless you are New York or Boston) versus one filled top to bottom with 15-25 homerun potential (much like what the Braves have right now), I choose the latter any day of the week.

[vnodnarb]

good writeup, i agree completely

[hotcorner33]

good writeup, i agree completely

Ditto. Nickzilla seems to have an affinity for the long posts, don't ya think? Hey, its better than short, crappy posts.

[Jsh1284]

After reading about Houston's desire for a powerful bat (looking in the form of Carlos Lee ... secondary, Gary Matthews Jr) ... I thought back to the rumored three way deal at the deadline. Forget Boston .... hows about something along these lines:

Andruw Jones and Tim Hudson to Houston for Willy Tavares, Jason Hirsh, and Fernando Nieve.

Hirsh is a great and soon to be ready arm with a good fastball and excellent control. Willy gives us a good contact bat, speed, and close to the same OBP. I'd be willing to bet he'd flourish in CF for us ... and its not like we have a lack of power hitters in the lineup. Nieve is a pretty good relief prospect as well.

Houston is probably gonna lose Pettite and Clemens ... they're gonna need another veteran guy to back up Oswalt. Hell, we should even pay them like 5 mil of his salary for the rest of his contract for saving us 26 mil next year alone. :)

[oyhstah crachah]

Ditto. Nickzilla seems to have an affinity for the long posts, don't ya think? Hey, its better than short, crappy posts.
...

[McCarroll21]

...
Are you thinking, what I'm thinking?

[hotcorner33]

Are you thinking, what I'm thinking?

Ya got me there.

[oyhstah crachah]

Yes, and yes.

[Jsh1284]

Umm is that a poke at me? lol

[McCarroll21]

Umm is that a poke at me? lol
I'm thinking it was a poke at hotcorner.

[Jsh1284]

Oops. My bad. I've been awake too long
:bricks:

[nickzilla6066]

I present a list of players that I think could be acquired fairly cheaply and who could serve key roles in 2007 and beyond. While some of these I acknowledge are truly asinine, why not explore a bit?

Left Field:
Currently Platoon; probably Matt Diaz as starter AVG .327 | HR 7 | RBI 32 | OBP .364 | SLG .475. I think that we definitely need to import either someone younger (Diaz is 28) or a true starter.

Juan Rivera: AVG .310 | HR 23 | RBI 85 | OBP .362 | SLG .525
At 28 years old, Juan Rivera could serve as a dependable left fielder who provides better numbers than Diaz and at a reasonable price (~2 million in 2007).

Matt Holliday: AVG .326 | HR 34 | RBI 114 | OBP .387 | SLG .586.
30+ HR with very good OBP and great average. The only problem is the "Coors Field Effect". 65% of his homeruns were at home. A wildcard choice perhaps?

Melky Cabrera: AVG .280 | HR 7 | RBI 50 | OBP .360 | SLG .391
Only 22 years old, Melky Cabrera brings what is in all likelihood a similar production value as sticking with Diaz, but at six years younger.

Second Base:
Currently Marcus Giles, AVG .262 | HR 11 | RBI 60 | OBP .341 | SLG .387. Giles' history indicates that 2006 was just a bad year, but I think we all agree that he is going to be traded because of his salary. I also don't like the idea of just plugging in one of the kids as a starter if someone more proven can be found.

Robinson Cano: AVG .342 | HR 15 | RBI 78 | OBP .365 | SLG .525.
One of the longest shots on my list but definitely a player with high drool factor. 24 years old, great numbers, rookie salary. Daddy likes.

Jorge Cantu: AVG .249 | HR 14 | RBI 62 | OBP .295 | SLG .404.
Another cheap young player, 24, but one who had a mediocre year. Average seems low and OBP is horrendous, but at his age he might be worthwhile.

Ian Kinsler: AVG .286 | HR 14 | RBI 55 | OBP .347 | SLG .454.
Yet another young, cheap second baseman, also 24 @ rookie pay.

Of all these players, the only 2 that I could realistically see in a Braves uniform next year would be Kinsler and Rivera, with Cantu at the next tier down. Cashman seems intent on proving that he can do something other than cut oversized checks so I don't see any young talent leaving New York, and I don't see JS giving away anything that Colorado would want, especially since they will probably demand young pitching. I won't pretend to know what may lure Kinsler from Texas, but I imagine a couple prospects may do. Cantu is in the same boat, though Tampa will ask for higher quality prospects, perhaps even someone like Davies. If Andruw gets traded to Anaheim (will they sue me for that?) I could see Rivera being involved.

[hotcorner33]

Braves Get
Fausto Carmona (call me crazy, but he's gonna be good someday)
Jeremy Sowers
Brian Sikorski

Indians Get
Ryan Langerhans
Tim Hudson
Tyler Yates

[lavell12]

Trade: Marcus Giles / Ryan Langerhans / Horacio Ramirez
for
Chone Figgans / Scot Shields

sign: Glavine 1 year 9M



Figgans 2B
Renteria SS
Chipper 3B
Andruw CF
McCann C
Francoeur RF
LaRoche 1B
Diaz LF

Penya, Ward, Aybar, Prado, Johnson

Smoltz
Glavine
Hudson
James
Hampton

Wickman, Shields, Cormier, Boyer, McBride, Devine, Villarreal

[Vuchato]

Here's my awesome 3-way trade that I can't resist:

To Braves:Brian Anderson, Brandon McCarthy, Scot Shields
To Angels:Joe Crede
To White Sox:Andruw Jones

[hotcorner33]

Here's my awesome 3-way trade that I can't resist:

To Braves:Brian Anderson, Brandon McCarthy, Scot Shields
To Angels:Joe Crede
To White Sox:Andruw Jones

That would be nice.

BRAVES GET
Joe Morgan

ESPN GETS
McCarroll

:bow:

[McCarroll21]

Here's my awesome 3-way trade that I can't resist:

To Braves:Brian Anderson, Brandon McCarthy, Scot Shields
To Angels:Joe Crede
To White Sox:Andruw JonesYou know, that actually makes sense too. The White Sox and Angels have been in talks about a Crede/Figgins swap. I'd rather get Fields than Anderson in that deal though.

That would be nice.

BRAVES GET
Joe Morgan

ESPN GETS
McCarroll

:bow:I don't know about that, Joe Morgan once told me on TV that Joe Morgan is a Hall of Famer. Did you know that Joe Morgan was part of that Big Red Machine. Man, Joe Morgan told me that Joe Morgan is quite the ball player.

[hotcorner33]

You know, that actually makes sense too. The White Sox and Angels have been in talks about a Crede/Figgins swap. I'd rather get Fields than Anderson in that deal though.

I don't know about that, Joe Morgan once told me on TV that Joe Morgan is a Hall of Famer. Did you know that Joe Morgan was part of that Big Red Machine. Man, Joe Morgan told me that Joe Morgan is quite the ball player.

That was sarcasm. And once McCarroll told me on braves.net that McCaroll is a great poster and McCarroll should be an admin and McCarroll has 28 girlfriend and McCarroll makes Nate look bad.

[Boogotshot]

Ex-Yankee = Damaged Goods

[McCarroll21]

While we're thinking about leadoff men, I just thought I'd throw this out there.

Ryan Freel for Tim Hudson -- Obviously that's not even but that would be the base of the deal. There would have to be some prospects inlcuded to even it up some.

Cincinnati just signed Gonzalez to play SS, thus keeping Phillips at 2B, so they wouldn't want Giles, but what about working some trade with the Reds to send Hudson there for Freel and include prospects on both side, and maybe get Homer Bailey, too.

Hudson has the reputation of being a ground ball pitcher, which is what the Reds need because of their ballpark so I would think he would at least be somewhat enticing to the Reds GM. Freel would give us a leadoff man that can play 2B, or LF, or anywhere else on the field for that matter.

We could then work on trading Giles for relief pitching and field offers for Andruw and Horacio to fill other needs.

[lavell12]

Brian Anderson = Ryan Langerhans

[Vuchato]

Anderson was good in the minors, though. I feel he could be a decent guy to slot into a 2, 5, 6, 7 spot in a lineup. and if we could get Homer Bailey, I would probably give up anyone outside of McCann to get him.

[McCarroll21]

and if we could get Homer Bailey, I would probably give up anyone outside of McCann to get him.I would gladly trade Salty for Bailey. I'm not sure of the Reds farm system, but I'm sure they could probably use a young catcher.

[nickzilla6066]

From the Seattle rumor, rather than Sexson, how about Hudson, HoRAm, Matt Diaz and [name a valuable prospect or expendable player] for "king" Felix Hernandez, Rafael Soriano and J.J. Putz?

A long shot (more like something out of MVP Baseball or whatever the hell is out their anymore) but one that gives us a real good young starter and two solid relievers while giving them a big name pitcher, a lefty starter, an interesting outfielder and whoever the prospect or extra player would be.

[hotcorner33]

From the Seattle rumor, rather than Sexson, how about Hudson, HoRAm, Matt Diaz and [name a valuable prospect or expendable player] for "king" Felix Hernandez, Rafael Soriano and J.J. Putz?

A long shot (more like something out of MVP Baseball or whatever the hell is out their anymore) but one that gives us a real good young starter and two solid relievers while giving them a big name pitcher, a lefty starter, an interesting outfielder and whoever the prospect or extra player would be.

zno way that they would give us Putz AND Soriano.

[Vuchato]

drool.

but no way they give up Felix for anything short of Billingsley, LaRoche and Kemp.

[nickzilla6066]

zno way that they would give us Putz AND Soriano.

Too bad in a way. I remember a few years ago they would have given away Soriano and there was talk early last year of Putz being moveable. Oh well, you never can tell when someone will bloom.

[Jsh1284]

Okay ... the Dodgers have signed Schmidt. Now, trade rumors are already floating about Brad Penny being included in a package going to Boston for Manny. The Sox brass have already said he probably won't be going anywhere...

So you've got to assume a thought has cropped up in JS's mind about an Andruw for Brad Penny trade.

Upsides? Downsides? Why might it happen? Why won't it? :)

[Vuchato]

if we're dealing Druw, I imagine it would be for younger talent

[lavell12]

I know it was a rumor during last season but how bout explore the Giles to the A's for Joe Blanton talk.

[nickzilla6066]

I know it was a rumor during last season but how bout explore the Giles to the A's for Joe Blanton talk.

Interesting, though I am not very high on Blanton. At 25 years old he is not old but not real young either.

Blanton: REC 16-12 | SV 0 | ERA 4.82 | WHIP 1.54

If he were cheap for a couple years to come I guess I would do it if there wasn't too much added onto the core of the deal, Giles for Blanton.

[Vuchato]

Too bad in a way. I remember a few years ago they would have given away Soriano and there was talk early last year of Putz being moveable. Oh well, you never can tell when someone will bloom.

:bow:

[nickzilla6066]

:bow:

I am master of the universe, kind of like how we got Hudson on my birthday a few years ago. While it wasn't exactly giving Soriano away, it was a good deal both ways, they needed a starter, we needed a strikeout kind of reliever. Mission accomplished.

[oyhstah crachah]

Trade Druw to clear salary and then pay Zito some exorbitant amount for 7 years...

[nickzilla6066]

Trade Druw to clear salary and then pay Zito some exorbitant amount for 7 years...

Kidding right? Even without Andruw we still would be about 4 million dollars a year short. Like I said in my first post on this site, i would never go beyond 10 million a year for any player, period, much less 17+ million for a Barry Zito.

[oyhstah crachah]

Looks like someone has a bad case of assthma...

Barry Zito = chill surfer dude, chill surfer dude = the bestest, Barry Zito = the bestest.

[hotcorner33]

Braves Get:
Luke Hocheaver

Royals Get:
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Anthony Lerew

[McCarroll21]

LaRoche and Lerew for Figgins, Adenhart, and Erick Aybar

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Thorman plays 1B. Figgins plays 2B or LF and leads off. Adenhart takes over as our top pitching prospect and Aybar goes to AA or AAA to play SS.

Getting Aybar will allow us to trade Renteria next year -- before his walk year -- and have a good replacement already "in house."

Trading LaRoche may allow us to keep Giles, and move him back to the 2-hole instead of leadoff because of Figgins.



Also, hotcorner, we aren't going to get any of the Royals good prospects right now. Dayton is in building mode.

[Adam's Army]

LaRoche and Lerew for Figgins, Adenhart, and Erick Aybar

----------------

Thorman plays 1B. Figgins plays 2B or LF and leads off. Adenhart takes over as our top pitching prospect and Aybar goes to AA or AAA to play SS.

Getting Aybar will allow us to trade Renteria next year -- before his walk year -- and have a good replacement already "in house."

Trading LaRoche may allow us to keep Giles, and move him back to the 2-hole instead of leadoff because of Figgins.


No.

[hotcorner33]

I just for some reason have a bad feeling about Thorman playing first.....

Why not go get Baldelli for leadoff?

[hotcorner33]

LaRoche and Lerew for Figgins, Adenhart, and Erick Aybar

----------------

Thorman plays 1B. Figgins plays 2B or LF and leads off. Adenhart takes over as our top pitching prospect and Aybar goes to AA or AAA to play SS.

Getting Aybar will allow us to trade Renteria next year -- before his walk year -- and have a good replacement already "in house."



Also, hotcorner, we aren't going to get any of the Royals good prospects right now. Dayton is in building mode.

:mad:

I'm partial to him because I saw him pitch so many times at UT, and he looked like he could pitch at the Major League level easily in college.

Oh well.

And also, AA, I think you have established the facts that:
A. You like Adam LaRoche
B. You do not want him traded.

Honestly, I think we get it. :D

[McCarroll21]

I just for some reason have a bad feeling about Thorman playing first.....

Why not go get Baldelli for leadoff?
Because Baldelli is going to cost us Salty, Escobar and a pitcher. And after giving up that much he'll probably only play half the year and he's not any better at getting on base than Figgins when he is on the field.

I'd rather have the .345 career OBP guy than the .329 OBP guy.

[Adam's Army]

:mad:

I'm partial to him because I saw him pitch so many times at UT, and he looked like he could pitch at the Major League level easily in college.

Oh well.

And also, AA, I think you have established the facts that:
A. You like Adam LaRoche
B. You do not want him traded.

Honestly, I think we get it. :D


haha, yeah i know. but i am still going to defend Adam and go againts any trade involving Adam

[hotcorner33]

But, I think that Thorman just cannot produce consistently at the ML level. Here is what I would predict for stats for him next year, assuming he is the almost everyday starter:
AVG: .242
HRs: 18
RBIs: 51
OBP: .301

Those are stats that will not help the club. I say we go get Baldelli. Here's why:

Salty: Ever heard of a 22 year old that hit .333 last year?
Escobar: We have Pena and Prado, and for now, we have Edgar.
Davies: He will never be more than a Jason Marquis-type pitcher, so who cares?

[hotcorner33]

haha, yeah i know. but i am still going to defend Adam and go againts any trade involving Adam

I feel you brother. I feel ya. I'm not sure I could deal with having Thorman being a starting 1st baseman now, either.
:beer:

[McCarroll21]

LaRoche and Lerew for Figgins, Adenhart, and Erick Aybar

----------------

Thorman plays 1B. Figgins plays 2B or LF and leads off. Adenhart takes over as our top pitching prospect and Aybar goes to AA or AAA to play SS.

Getting Aybar will allow us to trade Renteria next year -- before his walk year -- and have a good replacement already "in house."

Trading LaRoche may allow us to keep Giles, and move him back to the 2-hole instead of leadoff because of Figgins.I just did this in the top 50 prospects thread, but I thought I'd include it here to justify my trade as more than just an Aybar fan boy.

If you read his notes for the top 50 prospects (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/news/top50/y2006_post.jsp?content=1), it says "Aybar is the best defensive shortstop in the system and can run." I would like to get him back in a deal with Figgins and one of their pitchers. He could take over at SS next year (as in 2007) and give us the ability to trade Renteria's salary away.

Over 5 seasons in the minors, Erick has a career .311 average, .356 OBP, and 179 SBs (35.8 per season). He strikes out once every 9.5 times to the plate -- that's pretty good.

He's probably better defensively than Edgar is anyway. He could either be our backup SS -- better than having Pena doing it -- or play fulltime in AAA in the 2006 season and then take over as our starting SS in 2007. I would bet that he could play a very good 2B, too, so we could knock Pena and Orr off the roster and allow Erick to backup the middle infield, saving us a spot on the roster for more pop off the bench.

Get Willy ready to take over the 2B job and have an Aybar MIF connection. :D

[Adam's Army]

Andy LaRoche
2006 stats: [AA] .309 BA/ .419 OBP/ .483 SLG [AAA] .322 BA/ .400 OBP/ .550 SLG

get Andy to lead off, maybe move him to 2nd

[McCarroll21]

Andy LaRoche
2006 stats: [AA] .309 BA/ .419 OBP/ .483 SLG [AAA] .322 BA/ .400 OBP/ .550 SLG

get Andy to lead off, maybe move him to 2nd
Our best trading chip is Adam LaRoche. Do you want to trade Adam for Andy?

Get off Dave's cod. :D

[nickzilla6066]

I have heard that Andruw might accept a deal to LA because of Furcal and they are looking for an impact bat. I know that they are reluctant to part with prospects, but maybe offering Andruw for two or three of their guys (preferably a pitcher Broxton and an outfielder like Kemp or a 3B prospect) and then offering to pay for part of Druw's contract in 2007 would be enough to compel them to pull the trigger? This is similar to the Giles scenario that I layed out in another thread but it makes more sense to me to offer to pay a bit of these guys' contracts and move them for something of value as opposed to non-tendering one and watching the other walk.

We would actually save money against the weight of these guys' contracts and will get some real good players in return, while giving ourselves the flexibility we need financially.

I know it would never happen, but it is an interesting alternative to think about.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers8dec08,0,117619.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-mlb-dodger

From the sounds of things, we are in the loop for the Dodgers consideration, mainly against Manny (perhaps this tampering charge against the Red Sox will eliminate them) and Vernon Wells. We NEED to sweeten our pot to the point where we pull this off as opposed to them, even if it means spending a little cash (more like just giving up a portion of what we would save anyway). I truly believe that the Dodgers have great interest in a power bat, the highest number of HR on the team last year was 20.

They may put up a front that prospects are off limits, but when push comes to shove, especially if we pay a bit, I think we could get Broxton and Kemp, maybe more. The risk to them is seemingly small, they have a stocked system, lots of money to resign Andruw if he went and he would probably like it there anyway (lots of ex-Braves to hang with).

[lavell12]

1) Marcus Giles and Lance Cormier to Oakland for Joe Blanton

2) Kyle Davies, Jarrod Saltamicca to Tampa Bay for Rocco Baldelli.

then we sign a lefty reliever and veteran for the bench

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What do you think the asinine trade idea thread is for? It was even created FOR you.

Post moved.

--McCarroll21

[nickzilla6066]

I like the first one, the second one would be a ripoff. Salty and Davies are potential future stars, Baldelli is a spare part to fill in LF. Not even close.

Giles and Cormier (who didn't exactly impress me even when he did well) for Blanton would be a coup in our favor, though Oakland would definately want more than that.

[McCarroll21]

They may put up a front that prospects are off limits, but when push comes to shove, especially if we pay a bit, I think we could get Broxton and Kemp, maybe more. The risk to them is seemingly small, they have a stocked system, lots of money to resign Andruw if he went and he would probably like it there anyway (lots of ex-Braves to hang with).After Boars screwed them over in regards of JD Drew, I don't think Colletti will want to deal with him again this off-season.

[nickzilla6066]

After Boars screwed them over in regards of JD Drew, I don't think Colletti will want to deal with him again this off-season.

Still worth a shot. That is part of the reason why I say we have to really sweeten the deal, maybe even offer to pay in the 5-7 million range (we would still save what, 6-8 million from his contract being gone anyway?). I know it sounds crazy but unlike some I don't think draft picks are anywhere near the value of Broxton and Kemp. Other than hurt feelings and grudges (which have no place in a business environment if you wish to succeed anyway) I don't see why such a deal couldn't be done.

Honestly, we all know that Druw isn't going anywhere and we will all bitch and moan when he walks next winter with only a lighter payroll and draft picks to show for him ever being here, but the deal above would be my dream. If JS really is the genius everyone makes him out to be, we will get more than just draft picks in return.

[McCarroll21]

Trade Dayton one or two of his prized prospects -- not named Salty, James or Davies -- for David DeJesus.

Escobar and Lerew for DeJesus and Grienke

Okay, so since I added Grienke in there, let's throw Reitsma in to make it "asinine"

[nickzilla6066]

Just because the thread has been bare for a couple days, an absolutely asinine trade idea.

How about, Adam LaRoache (dear god I hope this doesn't start an Adam war, if it helps just substitue Francoeur) to the BrewCrew for Rickie Weeks (a seemingly oft-injured 2B with talent), Derrick Turnbow (lots of K's, not much else) and a prospect, say, Anthony Gwynn.

[McCarroll21]

Well, that's asinine. That's all I have to say about that..

[nickzilla6066]

O.K., this is a mix of two trades (one quite possible, the other a stretch) and is essentially the "Braves get Gonzalez and flip to New York" rumor with a twist, we send him to Boston.

" Boston has been asking about [Mike] Gonzalez for more than a month, but the Red Sox have no good match for the Pirates' hitter profile." (they want a lefty bat)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06349/746359-63.stm

And, the Red Sox trading Manny (the remote chance) to the Dodgers for Jonathan Broxton and (presumably) others (say, Matt Kemp?) has been brought up time and time again, though mostly by pissed off L.A. writers who want the Dodgers to get a big bat (Jones, Wells, Manny).

Scenario, we trade LaRoache to Pirates for Gonzalez and whatever else (we would presumably keep them, whether this is an infielder or another pitcher, a prospect, whatever) and then flip him to the Red Sox in return for Jonathan Broxton and a(n) prospect(s) (like Kemp) with the Dodgers getting the offensive centerpiece, Manny. We essentially trade a more proven reliever for a cheaper and rawer talent and get something else in the package.

A more complicated and less viable trade than the NY version, but one with similar results (I like Melky over Kemp, but like Broxton over Proctor).

Since my profile age just skipped to 21 maybe this deal will be an asinine wish come true?

[dogmanx23]

if JD Drew is out Andruw to boston is back on track

Andruw To Boston for......

Hansen
Coco
Ellsbury

Andruw has to sign an Extension for this to happen tho no way Boston gives up all this for a 1 year rental....

doubt it will happen just fun to say it tho :)

[FalconPride]

...Ellsbury...who has shown next to no power...Coco Crisp...who has no power...and Hansen, who has a talented arm, but is merely a reliever...for a multi Gold Glove and Silver Slugger winner?

Not sure Andruw would want to go to Boston, but you gotta get more.

[Jsh1284]

I wonder if they'd take a chance on Lester. Hmm.

Its very asinine though. Andruw will be a brave for one more year and then fly. The guy is looking for big bucks and I doubt he'd want to move away from his comfort zone before his contract season.

... He's had amazing success in Philly and Colorado. It is pretty scary to imagine his potential numbers if he played half his games at Coors.

[McCarroll21]

My initial thoughts of an Andruw trade were Los Angeles (either team) because of their young pitchers -- the Dodgers could even part with Ethier or Kemp. After that, my thoughts were to send him to Houston. He could kill the Crawford boxes if he played there every day. But now that they've traded Buchholz, Hirsh and Taveras, and don't have much else in terms of minor league talent, faaaaaaahhhhhhget about it.

[Jsh1284]

Id be exremely t'd about sending him to Houston. Imagine facing those guys in the postseason again .. only this time with a 3-4-5 of Berkman, Andruw, and Lee.

[lavell12]

2 trades:

Davies and Salty to florida for Willis

Langerhans and Lerew for Freel

[lavell12]

He may be on the trading block according to CNNSI.COM and he would be a good fit for left field without giving up way too much send them a prospect or two not including Salty and pull the trigger on this tiger. I know he isn't a leadoff hitter but his power might allow us to trade LaRoche or someone else for a leadoff hitter.

[McCarroll21]

Drew! Stop. You have a thread named after you for this stuff. Why trade for another option to play LF? We have plenty of them. He isn't the clear answer to play LF and leadoff, so why make trades to be an avenue to something else?

This isn't PS2.. you can't make a trade and then make another trade seconds later to fill a hole.

Posts moved.

[FalconPride]

I don't understand why some people think up little trades or whatever without first thinking what the team they are trying to trade with may want. In the Tigers' case, they want lefthanded help for their pen. We don't have it.

[Jsh1284]

We've got the great John Foster!

Wait, he sucks. Nevermind

[FalconPride]

Oh, we got rid of him thank God. I had this real nightmare he would be back next year.

[McCarroll21]

We've got the great John Foster!

Wait, he sucks. Nevermind
We released him when we ditched Ray and Hernandez.

[Jsh1284]

*sigh of relief*

[lavell12]

I guy who I would love to get because he is a hard nose player and can leadoff and play left is Ryan Freel. I don't think it would take too much to get him and I think JS should make a move for him.

[Jsh1284]

I dunno.

Freel is awesome. Not many guys have stolen what .. five or six bases in one game. Not a fast guy, but hes got some of the best instincts in baseball. Thats why I dont think the Reds will part with him cheaply. They just re-signed him long term here last year, too.

[FalconPride]

It takes a lot to get players people aren't looking to deal and have committed to.

[lavell12]

The Rockies picked him up from Houston but might be willing to deal him, for several years now they have been looking for a young star catcher and we have Jared Saltimacca and so maybe we could work out a deal to get Tavarez to leadoff and start in left.

[vnodnarb]

lets trade mccann/hudson for matsuzaka/varitek

[McCarroll21]

Drew, I hope you're kidding. If Salty is traded, it better be for a star ... not a scrub. Willy T sucks, end of story.

[lavell12]

okay maybe Salty is too much for Tavarez but he doesn't suck his stats are pretty good. Would you trade Pena and Langerhans for him?

http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=430838

[Jsh1284]

I'll take:

2B - KJ
SS - Edgar
3B - Chipper
CF - Andruw
C - McCann
RF- Frenchy
1B - Son of Dave
LF - Thorman

Our projected lineup looks pretty scary right now. I'm pretty confident that we'll challenge last year's offensive stats if everyone stays healthy.

We just need another pitcher or two.

[McCarroll21]

No. And the reason is simple, it's because he sucks. He's Juan Pierre, without the high average. He has a horrible OBP for a leadoff hitter.

Call me stupid, but I'd rather have someone in the leadoff spot that is capable of hitting for a higher OBP than .330. And even though power isn't that important out of a leadoff spot, I'd rathter have someone who can actually get the ball out of the infield. Playing in a hitters ballpark, Taveras has only hit 45 XBH in 1100+ at bats. His speed should turn singles into doubles, but since he can't get the ball out of the infield ... that doesn't happen.

[Vuchato]

Oh, we got rid of him thank God. I had this real nightmare he would be back next year.

I had one where brian Jordan was our closer.




he was pretty good.





whatever happened to good ol BJ, is he still gonna try for a spot on the roster?

[Jsh1284]

Haha .. Willy T has walked all of 59 times in 1,122 at bats.

[lavell12]

I know this is off topic but some guy on espn message boards seems pretty convenced that we trade Salty and Escobar to Tampa for Baldelli. I think this guy is crazy and didn't want to start a thread for it so I am just throwing it out there.

Edited by yours truly: Then put it in the trade thread instead of spamming another.

--McCarroll21

[Tratlanta]

We've all seen what A-Rod does when he makes it to the playoffs. I'd rather have Edgar anyday. '97 WS? Besides doesnt Arod make more like 25 million a year?

[BGarrett7]

Haha .. Willy T has walked all of 59 times in 1,122 at bats.Still better than a certain someone who patrols rightfield and wears number seven. :o

[KB 34]

We've all seen what A-Rod does when he makes it to the playoffs. I'd rather have Edgar anyday. '97 WS? Besides doesnt Arod make more like 25 million a year?
Who cares what A-Rod does in the playoffs when the manager humilaites him and the fans tag along? Personally I'm more concerned about Braves making the playoffs in the first place. A-Rod makes $25 million but the Rangers are paying some of that.

[HaRdCoReBrAvEsFaN]

We've all seen what A-Rod does when he makes it to the playoffs. I'd rather have Edgar anyday. '97 WS? Besides doesnt Arod make more like 25 million a year?

ARod was pretty good in the playoffs before coming to NY....and even his first postseason there series there was pretty good....The ALCS vs Boston till now have been bad yes, but I think if he went to another team he'd be much closer to pre-Yankee form during the playoffs...

[McCarroll21]

We've all seen what A-Rod does when he makes it to the playoffs. I'd rather have Edgar anyday. '97 WS? Besides doesnt Arod make more like 25 million a year?
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<table class="tborder" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr height="17"><td colspan="19" class="tcat" height="17">Edgar Renteria Playoff Stats</td></tr><tr height="17"><td class="thead" align="center" height="17" width="64">Year</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">Team</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">Age</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">Series</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">G</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">AB</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">R</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">H</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">2B</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">HR</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">RBI</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">SB</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">CS</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">BB</td><td class="thead" align="center" width="64">SO</td><td class="thead" 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