Who gets added on September 1?

[McCarroll21]

So, the only thing we have to play for now is getting Chipper some plate appearances and hoping Jair finishes strong to capture a Rookie of the Year award.

That said, who should be added on September 1?

I don't think we'll add anyone to the 40-man roster, so that rules out the guys like Schafer, Hanson and even Hicks. If we do add to the 40-man, I don't think it'll be those guys because they'll likely start next year in the minors and would waste an option year on one month of sporadic playing time.

So, who comes up?

Normally we add a third catcher, but we don't have a third catcher on the 40-man. I guess we could add Corky back to it, but I think we'll probably just go wit two catchers the rest of the way.

As far as position players, I think Lillibridge, Anderson, Diaz, Jones will be brought back. Diaz is still having some problems with his knee down in his rehab. I think they'll just wait until September to call him up and let him serve his suspension to get it out of the way.

For pitchers, Jo-Jo will come back and I think we'll see Acosta come off the DL. Ridgway should come back and I wonder if they'll add Ring back to the 40-man and bring him back up? Would you bring Soriano back or shut him down? Does Chuck come back? Is there any reason to continue to give him any innings?

What do you guys think and what are you guys looking forward to see with the expanded roster?

[vnodnarb]

I'd like to see Reyes, Jones, Diaz, Lillibridge, Acosta, Anderson in that order. Leave Chuck down there unless you want to try him at long relief, shut down Soriano.

[Chop33]

Diaz was suspended? :confused:

[BravoJones]

I'm not sure about all the legistics but Bowman was saying that if he continues his hot hitting Schafer might come up to. With our pitching staff out of sorts for next season I'd give Hanson 2 or 3 starts. Thats probably the fact that I want to see someone new that will give me a reason to watch. I really don't want to watch Greg Norton ABs when we could be having young guys up here.

[GrandMasterB]

I'd like to see Jones, Anderson and Diaz all brought back up. I'm not sure how you would divide the at-bats up between those three, Blanco, Francoeur, Infante and Kotsay, but we need to see what we've got going into next year. I'd also like to see Lillibridge, but once again, where would he get his at-bats? I guess you could give him a couple of starts a week, while giving Chipper and Escobar each some time off.

The only pitchers I would care to see would be Reyes and maybe Bueno. Reyes needs to be in the rotation for the last month of the season. Could go with a six-man rotation or just alternate Glavine's and Hampton's starts. Either way, Reyes needs to be in the bigs taking his lumps and getting ready for next season.

[HTF]

Wouldn't mind seeing what Diory Hernandez can do with some ML atbats either. Other than that I'm in agreement with everyone else.

[McCarroll21]

Wouldn't mind seeing what Diory Hernandez can do with some ML atbats either. Other than that I'm in agreement with everyone else.
If anyone not on the 40-man is added, he's the kind of guy I could see being added. His options wouldn't really be as much of a factor. I don't see adding the guys like Schafer and Hanson though because they aren't any kind of guarantee to open the season with us next year which would start their options and possibly put us in a bind later.

[HTF]

As for Reyes I don't see why we should wait till Sept. 1 when we need a starter for Sunday. Call him up give him his 6-8 starts for the rest of the season and see if he can be a MLB starter.

[McCarroll21]

As for Reyes I don't see why we should wait till Sept. 1 when we need a starter for Sunday. Call him up give him his 6-8 starts for the rest of the season and see if he can be a MLB starter.
Me neither, same for Jones.

[JCStone7]

I'd like to see Anderson, B. Jones, Lillibridge, and Jo-Jo, don't need to add anybody of the Hanson, Schafer likes to the 40-man for aforementioned reasons.

To divy up playing time, you platoon B. Jones and Francoeur in RF, get Anderson some spot starts and use him as your pinch-runner. As for Lilli you give him time at SS, 2B, & 3B

[BravoJones]

If anyone not on the 40-man is added, he's the kind of guy I could see being added. His options wouldn't really be as much of a factor. I don't see adding the guys like Schafer and Hanson though because they aren't any kind of guarantee to open the season with us next year which would start their options and possibly put us in a bind later.

I thought it only counts as one of a players options if they get sent back down. Meaning if we bring them up and they dont' go back down it doesn't count as an option.

[McCarroll21]

I thought it only counts as one of a players options if they get sent back down. Meaning if we bring them up and they dont' go back down it doesn't count as an option.
That'd be right if they stay with the team, but if they don't start the year with the team in 2009, they'd have to be optioned out and use up one of their options. I just don't see the point in starting their options and giving them a month of service toward arbitration and other things.

[BravoJones]

That'd be right if they stay with the team, but if they don't start the year with the team in 2009, they'd have to be optioned out and use up one of their options. I just don't see the point in starting their options and giving them a month of service toward arbitration and other things.

With our rotation for next year basically in shambles I'd like to see Hanson pitch a few games. This way we see what he is like as a mlb pitcher some for next year. Morton and Reyes have not cemented their spots yet.

[BF91]

With our rotation for next year basically in shambles I'd like to see Hanson pitch a few games. This way we see what he is like as a mlb pitcher some for next year. Morton and Reyes have not cemented their spots yet.

I think we'd be better off treating Hanson like we did Morton. Give him a look in ST, but have him start the year in AAA. Give him 15 or so starts there and, if he's ready, bring him up. We ought to make a signing to strengthen our rotation though, whether it be a middle or front-end starter.

I'd like for us to bring up Lillibridge first and foremost. He should get some playing time at 2B, 3B, SS, and CF. I know Blanco's done fine, but I'd really like to see if he could contribute from his former posistion. Its more of a want than what I think will happen. After that Jo-Jo and BJones should come up since they've had some success at the ML level this year and could be pieces to our team next year. Anderson ought to get a look too, getting a few starts in the OF.

Acosta should come off the DL, we should shut Soriano down, and we should bring up Stockman (is he still hurt?). Outside of that, I really don't think anything else should be done.

[BravoJones]

I think Morton didn't make the team out of ST b/c he wasn't seen as one of our best pitchers and he also wasnt' that big of a prospect. In fact this time last year Morton wasn't doing that much. While Hanson is a stup prospect who shoult come up faster b/c he is a lot more ready than Morton was this time last season. I think Hanson steps on the MLB field and is better than Morton and Reyes already.

[BF91]

Hanson has the potential to be better than either Morton or Reyes, but the fact is that he's only spent part of a season in AA . Why press him into MLB service now and risk making our top pitching prospect damaged goods? He'll get his shot, but it would most likely be best for his development if he were to spend some time in AAA first. I have all the confidence that he'll be our next home-grown ace, but let's make sure he's ready before putting him in an Atlanta uniform.

[McCarroll21]

You don't. Hanson hasn't seen Triple-A and won't see it this year. You start him at Triple-A next year and let him tell you when he's ready, much like they did with Morton this year.

Morton and Hanson are on pretty much the same path right now, just Hanson has the bigger 'prospect' label. Morton pitched at Mississippi last year and started in Richmond this year before joining the major league team. Hanson will finish this year at Mississippi and then start at Gwinnett next year before joining the major league team.

Pitchers need to get some starts at Triple-A before making the jump. Some hitters can get away with bypassing Triple-A, it's much harder for pitchers to do that.

[HTF]

Well Glavine just got put back on the mend so if Jo-Jo isn't called up for Sunday something is wrong.

[Chop33]

why was Diaz suspended?

[GrandMasterB]

why was Diaz suspended?

Don't remember when it was, but I believe it was for getting ejected from a game while he was on the disabled list.

[Chop33]

Don't remember when it was, but I believe it was for getting ejected from a game while he was on the disabled list.

ohhh yea... I remember now. Didn't he not even leave the dugout?

[timmy]

[quote=BF91;269184]

Acosta should come off the DL, we should shut Soriano down, and we should bring up Stockman (is he still hurt?). /quote]

Just to give the Stock update on the big Aussie, he hasn't pitched since July 30th and gave up runs in each of his last four outings, so he's not right even though he's listed as active. Before July 22nd though, he'd only given up 2 runs all year between Richmond and Atlanta.

[BF91]

That sucks about Stockman, maybe we should shut him down too. Hopefully next year we'll be able to have both of our Aussies in the pen.

[Rip4144]

How many options does a player have?

[BF91]

How many options does a player have?

The amount of times a player can be moved to and from the minors while on the 40-man roster is unlimited. However, being placed on the 40-man roster burns up one option. Every year a player is on the 40-man roster uses an option too, and a player has three options. At least that's how I think it goes.

[McCarroll21]

How many options does a player have?
Three option years. After being added to the 40-man roster, if they spend any time not on the 25-man roster (either starting in the minor leagues or sent to the minor leagues) they use up an option. You only use one option per year, so you can be sent back and forth as many times as the team wants in a year and it will only count as one option.

A player can be called up and never use an option if he's never sent back down.

[McCarroll21]

The amount of times a player can be moved to and from the minors while on the 40-man roster is unlimited. However, being placed on the 40-man roster burns up one option. Every year a player is on the 40-man roster uses an option too, and a player has three options. At least that's how I think it goes.
Not correct. Brian McCann hasn't used an option in his major league career. Francoeur used his first option when sent back to the minors this year. Being on the 40-man doesn't burn an option if you are on the 25-man for the entire year. Getting added to the 40-man doesn't necessarily burn an option if he finishes out the year on the 25-man roster. If he's not put on the 25-man to start the next year though, that would be an option.

[BF91]

Not correct. Brian McCann hasn't used an option in his major league career. Francoeur used his first option when sent back to the minors this year. Being on the 40-man doesn't burn an option if you are on the 25-man for the entire year. Getting added to the 40-man doesn't necessarily burn an option if he finishes out the year on the 25-man roster. If he's not put on the 25-man to start the next year though, that would be an option.

So being promoted doesn't use up an option, being demoted does, but only one each year? Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.

[McCarroll21]

So being promoted doesn't use up an option, being demoted does, but only one each year? Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.
Correct. Having your contract purchased (being placed on the 40-man) removes you from the Rule V pool.

If your contract is purchased and you're called to the major leagues (like Charlie Morton this year), you don't use an option until you're sent back down to the minors.

If your contract is purchased in the off-season to protect you from the Rule V, you won't use an option until you aren't placed on the 25-man roster to start the year.

If you're in a situation like Jo-Jo Reyes was at the beginning of the year (having been placed on the 40-man last year, but not starting the year on the 25-man roster), starting the year in the minors uses up an option.

After being placed on the 40-man and having used an option, a player can come and go on the same option through the remainder of the season.

[mattynokes]

Thanks for the clarification. I had always wondered the exact ruling. And if I'm not mistaken, then being on the 40-man, but in the minors for a full year equals a demotion and an option used correct? A la Scott Thorman.
WOW at myself, you answered that one as well and I overlooked it.
Earlier in the year I was perplexed on why Thorman had to be outrighted and Chuckers was allowed to be optioned. Chuck had already been up in the majors 3 stat years while Thorman had only been up for 2 stat years. It all makes sense now.

[JCStone7]

Any prospect need to be added to the 40-man to protect from Rule V?

[mattynokes]

Any prospect need to be added to the 40-man to protect from Rule V?
And that would be a player like Diory or James Parr. I think Marek would also be eligible to be taken if not added.

[BGarrett7]

And that would be a player like Diory or James Parr. I think Marek would also be eligible to be taken if not added.Correct on Marek.

I'll try to compile a master list shortly.

[BravoJones]

I'm starting to think we will see Schafer. He has hit 2 more bombs tonight and is approaching .270 while that isn't great, he is on fire right now. If he stays hot we may see him.

[BF91]

I'm starting to think we will see Schafer. He has hit 2 more bombs tonight and is approaching .270 while that isn't great, he is on fire right now. If he stays hot we may see him.

We may indeed, but I doubt it. Although if he does come up and produces it would be a nice little boost for next year. At the very least it would stop my Lillibridge for CF talk. :D

[timmy]

Schafer's not ready for anything more than a platoon role yet, even for next year...

Schafer vs. lefties this year- .188/.310/.292 -.601 OPS

[BravoJones]

Schafer's not ready for anything more than a platoon role yet, even for next year...

Schafer vs. lefties this year- .188/.310/.292 -.601 OPS

Schafer/Diaz sounds good.

[timmy]

Schafer/Diaz sounds good.

Nope, he's gotta get everyday ABs. Sitting him against lefties just so he can contribute for an '09 squad that's destined for mediocrity isn't a good long term decision, besides Schafer's value is in CF where hopefully he can be both a plus bat and glove. Schafer needs to be Gwinett's everyday CF next year, even if that means a roster carrying both Blanco and Anderson. The way he's hit this month means he likely won't have to repeat AA, but it doesn't suddenly give him a big league job.

[BF91]

We should do the same thing that we planned on doing with Schafer next year as we had this year. Have him play in the AFL, then invite him to ST. After that we should send him to AAA instead of AA and see how he progresses there. Maybe he'll be a mid-'09 call-up, but he has to get everyday ABs no matter where he is. Sure his stats would look better in a platoon, but he'll never be able to hit ML LHP if he's not exposed to it.

And if we're platooning anyone in LF next year it better be BJones with Diaz.

[brnt247]

BJones with Francoeur... If we plan on winning, we need a new left fielder that's very good and Francoeur playing sparingly, like only vs. lefties.

[timmy]

BJones with Francoeur... If we plan on winning, we need a new left fielder that's very good and Francoeur playing sparingly, like only vs. lefties.

No Francoeur should be playing every day.... in Gwinnett.

[elvanvitar]

Schafer should be called up. Adding him to the 40 man shouldn't be an issue. If for some reason he stays in the minors for 3 more years and we have to make a decision to trade him or put him on the roster in 2012 he isn't going to be what we had hoped and Gorkys will likely already be our starting centerfielder with Heyward already up as well.

As for service time. Same deal. Being up for a month simply won't matter if Schafer becomes who we hope he will be.

Oh and Jeff did not burn up an option this year. If you get sent down and spend less than 20 days in the minors it does not count.

[dogmanx23]

Ill be the first to say i don't know how the sept 1st call up work.. But.... If we can get Shafer, Heyward (probably too early), Hansen, Kala Ka Aihue (if Kotchman doesn't come back cause of the family issue.

I want to see some new blood..

[JCStone7]

Ill be the first to say i don't know how the sept 1st call up work.. But.... If we can get Shafer, Heyward (probably too early), Hansen, Kala Ka Aihue (if Kotchman doesn't come back cause of the family issue.

I want to see some new blood..

Schafer ... maybe everybody else will probably not see time in ATL this September

[McCarroll21]

Schafer won't be here in September (http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/entries/2008/08/27/kotsay_gone_sch.html?cxntfid=blogs_braves); same for Hanson and Medlen.

[GrandMasterB]

No Schafer in September (http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/entries/2008/08/27/kotsay_gone_sch.html?cxntfid=blogs_braves)
September callups: So will we see Schafer in September? No. In fact, Wren said we won’t see any of the Braves’ top young prospects in September, including the pitchers like Hanson and Medlin. He said the reasoning is two-fold: The Braves want to monitor innings on those guys, including Medlin, who’s starting on a regular basis for the first time since high school, and because of roster management.

[timmy]

Mississippi's gotta keep that team together so they can win that Southern League crown. =P

[GrandMasterB]

Schafer won't be here in September (http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/braves/entries/2008/08/27/kotsay_gone_sch.html?cxntfid=blogs_braves).

:mad:

Dang you and your ability to reply seconds before me!

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There's also some stuff in there about Sumoza, Kotsay, Ohman and Chipper.

[HTF]

James Parr getting the ole September call up hopefully to give JJ some rest. Can't wait to see him pitch. Lillibridge, Ridgeway, the ever hot Corky Miller, and the "Returning" Charlie Morton are the others getting the call.

[vnodnarb]

It's Corky Time!

[nittanylionfan3]

It's Corky Time!

Finally! Chasing .100 again!:woot:

[mattynokes]

Kind of puzzled why Diory wasn't added and Tommy wasn't transferred to the 60.